Hi Folks,

Be sure and check out http://www.wineselleronline.com - Its a new wine
site based in Ireland with over 21 years experience in the business.
And establish list of customers shows these guys mean business.Wines
at wholesale prices, often the same as what off licenses buy them for!

These guys also supply Coffe machines for your business backed up by
some great aftersales service. You can download the catalogue of wines
from the site at any time or call them with a query.

So go on and check it out!

www.wineselleronline.com

On 4 Aug 2004 03:53:56 -0700, (WineSellerTeam) wrote:

>Hi Folks,
>
>Be sure and check out http://www.wineselleronline.com - Its a new wine
>site based in Ireland with over 21 years experience in the business.
>And establish list of customers shows these guys mean business.Wines
>at wholesale prices, often the same as what off licenses buy them for!
>
>These guys also supply Coffe machines for your business backed up by
>some great aftersales service. You can download the catalogue of wines
>from the site at any time or call them with a query.
>
>So go on and check it out!
>
>www.wineselleronline.com

You work for them. So don't pretend you are some objective client.

This is not what this forum is intended for. And 99% of your audience
is not even in Ireland, incredible as that may seem.

Mike

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

On 4 Aug 2004 03:53:56 -0700, (WineSellerTeam) wrote:

>Hi Folks,
>
>Be sure and check out http://www.wineselleronline.com - Its a new wine
>site based in Ireland with over 21 years experience in the business.
>And establish list of customers shows these guys mean business.Wines
>at wholesale prices, often the same as what off licenses buy them for!
>
>These guys also supply Coffe machines for your business backed up by
>some great aftersales service. You can download the catalogue of wines
>from the site at any time or call them with a query.
>
>So go on and check it out!
>
>www.wineselleronline.com

You work for them. So don't pretend you are some objective client.

This is not what this forum is intended for. And 99% of your audience
is not even in Ireland, incredible as that may seem.

Mike

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

I think that was intended alright Mike

Lighten up


Mike Tommasi > wrote in message >. ..
> On 4 Aug 2004 03:53:56 -0700, (WineSellerTeam) wrote:
>
> >Hi Folks,
> >
> >Be sure and check out http://www.wineselleronline.com - Its a new wine
> >site based in Ireland with over 21 years experience in the business.
> >And establish list of customers shows these guys mean business.Wines
> >at wholesale prices, often the same as what off licenses buy them for!
> >
> >These guys also supply Coffe machines for your business backed up by
> >some great aftersales service. You can download the catalogue of wines
> >from the site at any time or call them with a query.
> >
> >So go on and check it out!
> >
> >www.wineselleronline.com
>
> You work for them. So don't pretend you are some objective client.
>
> This is not what this forum is intended for. And 99% of your audience
> is not even in Ireland, incredible as that may seem.
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
> email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

> > On 4 Aug 2004 03:53:56 -0700, (WineSellerTeam) wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Folks,
> > >
> > >Be sure and check out http://www.wineselleronline.com - Its a new wine
> > >site based in Ireland with over 21 years experience in the business.
> > >And establish list of customers shows these guys mean business.Wines
> > >at wholesale prices, often the same as what off licenses buy them for!
> > >
> > >These guys also supply Coffe machines for your business backed up by
> > >some great aftersales service. You can download the catalogue of wines
> > >from the site at any time or call them with a query.
> > >
> > >So go on and check it out!
> > >
> > >www.wineselleronline.com

Mike Tommasi > wrote in message
> >
> > You work for them. So don't pretend you are some objective client.
> >
> > This is not what this forum is intended for. And 99% of your audience
> > is not even in Ireland, incredible as that may seem.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
> > email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

(WineSellerTeam) wrote in message . com>...
> I think that was intended alright Mike
>
> Lighten up
>

Rather than waste alt.food.wine space expressing displeasure about
'Shilling' for one's own commercial site, I sent a direct e-mail
explaining that such postings were out of place and could easily be
viewed as unethical.

Daragh MacLoughlin was 'kind enough' to respond and explain that:

1) "i never tried to hide any affiliation"
2) "Ever hear of a language barrier Dan? English isnt my first
language so i cannot always convey what i need to"
3) "well to be honest i didnt actually check to see the general flow
of conversation or check the rules and in fact i think that was the
first ever post ive made to alt groups"

So, thanks Daragh! Since I'm not in Ireland, I don't have to decide
whether to do business with this company. (It would have been an easy
decision, anyway). But I do often add links to merchants in other
countries on my web site to help direct residents toward worthwhile
merchants. I don't think I'll be putting up any positive links for
this guy.

Dan

> > On 4 Aug 2004 03:53:56 -0700, (WineSellerTeam) wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Folks,
> > >
> > >Be sure and check out http://www.wineselleronline.com - Its a new wine
> > >site based in Ireland with over 21 years experience in the business.
> > >And establish list of customers shows these guys mean business.Wines
> > >at wholesale prices, often the same as what off licenses buy them for!
> > >
> > >These guys also supply Coffe machines for your business backed up by
> > >some great aftersales service. You can download the catalogue of wines
> > >from the site at any time or call them with a query.
> > >
> > >So go on and check it out!
> > >
> > >www.wineselleronline.com

Mike Tommasi > wrote in message
> >
> > You work for them. So don't pretend you are some objective client.
> >
> > This is not what this forum is intended for. And 99% of your audience
> > is not even in Ireland, incredible as that may seem.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
> > email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

(WineSellerTeam) wrote in message . com>...
> I think that was intended alright Mike
>
> Lighten up
>

Rather than waste alt.food.wine space expressing displeasure about
'Shilling' for one's own commercial site, I sent a direct e-mail
explaining that such postings were out of place and could easily be
viewed as unethical.

Daragh MacLoughlin was 'kind enough' to respond and explain that:

1) "i never tried to hide any affiliation"
2) "Ever hear of a language barrier Dan? English isnt my first
language so i cannot always convey what i need to"
3) "well to be honest i didnt actually check to see the general flow
of conversation or check the rules and in fact i think that was the
first ever post ive made to alt groups"

So, thanks Daragh! Since I'm not in Ireland, I don't have to decide
whether to do business with this company. (It would have been an easy
decision, anyway). But I do often add links to merchants in other
countries on my web site to help direct residents toward worthwhile
merchants. I don't think I'll be putting up any positive links for
this guy.

Dan

"Dan Miller" > wrote in message
om...
> > > On 4 Aug 2004 03:53:56 -0700, (WineSellerTeam) wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hi Folks,
> > > >
> > > >Be sure and check out http://www.wineselleronline.com - Its a new
wine
> > > >site based in Ireland with over 21 years experience in the business.
> > > >And establish list of customers shows these guys mean business.Wines
> > > >at wholesale prices, often the same as what off licenses buy them
for!
> > > >
> > > >These guys also supply Coffe machines for your business backed up by
> > > >some great aftersales service. You can download the catalogue of
wines
> > > >from the site at any time or call them with a query.
> > > >
> > > >So go on and check it out!
> > > >
> > > >www.wineselleronline.com
>
> Mike Tommasi > wrote in message
> > >
> > > You work for them. So don't pretend you are some objective client.
> > >
> > > This is not what this forum is intended for. And 99% of your audience
> > > is not even in Ireland, incredible as that may seem.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
> > > email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail
>
> (WineSellerTeam) wrote in message
. com>...
> > I think that was intended alright Mike
> >
> > Lighten up
> >
>
> Rather than waste alt.food.wine space expressing displeasure about
> 'Shilling' for one's own commercial site, I sent a direct e-mail
> explaining that such postings were out of place and could easily be
> viewed as unethical.
>
> Daragh MacLoughlin was 'kind enough' to respond and explain that:
>
> 1) "i never tried to hide any affiliation"
> 2) "Ever hear of a language barrier Dan? English isnt my first
> language so i cannot always convey what i need to"
> 3) "well to be honest i didnt actually check to see the general flow
> of conversation or check the rules and in fact i think that was the
> first ever post ive made to alt groups"
>
> So, thanks Daragh! Since I'm not in Ireland, I don't have to decide
> whether to do business with this company. (It would have been an easy
> decision, anyway). But I do often add links to merchants in other
> countries on my web site to help direct residents toward worthwhile
> merchants. I don't think I'll be putting up any positive links for
> this guy.
>
> Dan

Oh you should: they've got 'Chat Lynch Badge', afterall ;-).

Sammy

"Dan Miller" > wrote in message
om...
> > > On 4 Aug 2004 03:53:56 -0700, (WineSellerTeam) wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hi Folks,
> > > >
> > > >Be sure and check out http://www.wineselleronline.com - Its a new
wine
> > > >site based in Ireland with over 21 years experience in the business.
> > > >And establish list of customers shows these guys mean business.Wines
> > > >at wholesale prices, often the same as what off licenses buy them
for!
> > > >
> > > >These guys also supply Coffe machines for your business backed up by
> > > >some great aftersales service. You can download the catalogue of
wines
> > > >from the site at any time or call them with a query.
> > > >
> > > >So go on and check it out!
> > > >
> > > >www.wineselleronline.com
>
> Mike Tommasi > wrote in message
> > >
> > > You work for them. So don't pretend you are some objective client.
> > >
> > > This is not what this forum is intended for. And 99% of your audience
> > > is not even in Ireland, incredible as that may seem.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
> > > email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail
>
> (WineSellerTeam) wrote in message
. com>...
> > I think that was intended alright Mike
> >
> > Lighten up
> >
>
> Rather than waste alt.food.wine space expressing displeasure about
> 'Shilling' for one's own commercial site, I sent a direct e-mail
> explaining that such postings were out of place and could easily be
> viewed as unethical.
>
> Daragh MacLoughlin was 'kind enough' to respond and explain that:
>
> 1) "i never tried to hide any affiliation"
> 2) "Ever hear of a language barrier Dan? English isnt my first
> language so i cannot always convey what i need to"
> 3) "well to be honest i didnt actually check to see the general flow
> of conversation or check the rules and in fact i think that was the
> first ever post ive made to alt groups"
>
> So, thanks Daragh! Since I'm not in Ireland, I don't have to decide
> whether to do business with this company. (It would have been an easy
> decision, anyway). But I do often add links to merchants in other
> countries on my web site to help direct residents toward worthwhile
> merchants. I don't think I'll be putting up any positive links for
> this guy.
>
> Dan

Oh you should: they've got 'Chat Lynch Badge', afterall ;-).

Sammy

"Dan Miller" > wrote in message
om...
> > > On 4 Aug 2004 03:53:56 -0700, (WineSellerTeam) wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hi Folks,
> > > >
> > > >Be sure and check out http://www.wineselleronline.com - Its a new
wine
> > > >site based in Ireland with over 21 years experience in the business.
> > > >And establish list of customers shows these guys mean business.Wines
> > > >at wholesale prices, often the same as what off licenses buy them
for!
> > > >
> > > >These guys also supply Coffe machines for your business backed up by
> > > >some great aftersales service. You can download the catalogue of
wines
> > > >from the site at any time or call them with a query.
> > > >
> > > >So go on and check it out!
> > > >
> > > >www.wineselleronline.com
>
> Mike Tommasi > wrote in message
> > >
> > > You work for them. So don't pretend you are some objective client.
> > >
> > > This is not what this forum is intended for. And 99% of your audience
> > > is not even in Ireland, incredible as that may seem.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
> > > email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail
>
> (WineSellerTeam) wrote in message
. com>...
> > I think that was intended alright Mike
> >
> > Lighten up
> >
>
> Rather than waste alt.food.wine space expressing displeasure about
> 'Shilling' for one's own commercial site, I sent a direct e-mail
> explaining that such postings were out of place and could easily be
> viewed as unethical.
>
> Daragh MacLoughlin was 'kind enough' to respond and explain that:
>
> 1) "i never tried to hide any affiliation"
> 2) "Ever hear of a language barrier Dan? English isnt my first
> language so i cannot always convey what i need to"
> 3) "well to be honest i didnt actually check to see the general flow
> of conversation or check the rules and in fact i think that was the
> first ever post ive made to alt groups"
>
> So, thanks Daragh! Since I'm not in Ireland, I don't have to decide
> whether to do business with this company. (It would have been an easy
> decision, anyway). But I do often add links to merchants in other
> countries on my web site to help direct residents toward worthwhile
> merchants. I don't think I'll be putting up any positive links for
> this guy.
>
> Dan

Oh you should: they've got 'Chat Lynch Badge', afterall ;-).

Sammy

Sammy wrote:
> "Dan Miller" > wrote in message
> om...
>
>>>>On 4 Aug 2004 03:53:56 -0700, (WineSellerTeam) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Be sure and check out http://www.wineselleronline.com - Its a new
>
> wine
>
>>>>>site based in Ireland with over 21 years experience in the business.
>>>>>And establish list of customers shows these guys mean business.Wines
>>>>>at wholesale prices, often the same as what off licenses buy them
>
> for!
>
>>>>>These guys also supply Coffe machines for your business backed up by
>>>>>some great aftersales service. You can download the catalogue of
>
> wines
>
>>>>>from the site at any time or call them with a query.
>>>>
>>>>>So go on and check it out!
>>>>>
>>>>>www.wineselleronline.com
>>
>> Mike Tommasi > wrote in message
>>
>>>>You work for them. So don't pretend you are some objective client.
>>>>
>>>>This is not what this forum is intended for. And 99% of your audience
>>>>is not even in Ireland, incredible as that may seem.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>>Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
>>>>email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail
>>
(WineSellerTeam) wrote in message
>
> . com>...
>
>>>I think that was intended alright Mike
>>>
>>>Lighten up
>>>
>>
>>Rather than waste alt.food.wine space expressing displeasure about
>>'Shilling' for one's own commercial site, I sent a direct e-mail
>>explaining that such postings were out of place and could easily be
>>viewed as unethical.
>>
>>Daragh MacLoughlin was 'kind enough' to respond and explain that:
>>
>>1) "i never tried to hide any affiliation"
>>2) "Ever hear of a language barrier Dan? English isnt my first
>>language so i cannot always convey what i need to"
>>3) "well to be honest i didnt actually check to see the general flow
>>of conversation or check the rules and in fact i think that was the
>>first ever post ive made to alt groups"
>>
>>So, thanks Daragh! Since I'm not in Ireland, I don't have to decide
>>whether to do business with this company. (It would have been an easy
>>decision, anyway). But I do often add links to merchants in other
>>countries on my web site to help direct residents toward worthwhile
>>merchants. I don't think I'll be putting up any positive links for
>>this guy.
>>
>>Dan
>
>
> Oh you should: they've got 'Chat Lynch Badge', afterall ;-).
>
> Sammy
>
>

Is this where someone starts a "back to wine" thread?

Lloyd

On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:36:50 +0200, Mike Tommasi >
wrote:

>On 4 Aug 2004 03:53:56 -0700, (WineSellerTeam) wrote:
>
>>Hi Folks,
>>
>>Be sure and check out http://www.wineselleronline.com - Its a new wine
>>site based in Ireland with over 21 years experience in the business.
>>And establish list of customers shows these guys mean business.Wines
>>at wholesale prices, often the same as what off licenses buy them for!
>>
>>These guys also supply Coffe machines for your business backed up by
>>some great aftersales service. You can download the catalogue of wines
>>from the site at any time or call them with a query.
>>
>>So go on and check it out!
>>
>>www.wineselleronline.com
>
>You work for them. So don't pretend you are some objective client.

He posted as WineSeller Team. I don't see any pretense

>This is not what this forum is intended for. And 99% of your audience
>is not even in Ireland, incredible as that may seem.

From http://www.virtual-ink.com.au/afw-faq/guide.htm

"3.4 Can I advertise my wine website?

As mentioned in the Advertising on Usenet FAQ, on-topic business
(including website) announcements are allowed. You may announce any
wine-related website on the group. Non-wine-related website
announcements are off-topic, and thus should not be posted to the
group. Wine-related announcements should be limited to the launching
of a website or a major addition to/subtraction from/redesign of the
site, and they should ideally be informational, rather than
promotional, in nature. A handy rule of thumb is that if you are
posting an announcement more than once a month, you're probably
posting too often, and you're likely to get on someone's nerves, even
if your site is the best thing since the invention of bottled wine."

That rule sounds very well-worded to me. So what is the problem with
the post? The "ideally be informational" bit is the only possible
problem one could have.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:36:50 +0200, Mike Tommasi >
wrote:

>On 4 Aug 2004 03:53:56 -0700, (WineSellerTeam) wrote:
>
>>Hi Folks,
>>
>>Be sure and check out http://www.wineselleronline.com - Its a new wine
>>site based in Ireland with over 21 years experience in the business.
>>And establish list of customers shows these guys mean business.Wines
>>at wholesale prices, often the same as what off licenses buy them for!
>>
>>These guys also supply Coffe machines for your business backed up by
>>some great aftersales service. You can download the catalogue of wines
>>from the site at any time or call them with a query.
>>
>>So go on and check it out!
>>
>>www.wineselleronline.com
>
>You work for them. So don't pretend you are some objective client.

He posted as WineSeller Team. I don't see any pretense

>This is not what this forum is intended for. And 99% of your audience
>is not even in Ireland, incredible as that may seem.

From http://www.virtual-ink.com.au/afw-faq/guide.htm

"3.4 Can I advertise my wine website?

As mentioned in the Advertising on Usenet FAQ, on-topic business
(including website) announcements are allowed. You may announce any
wine-related website on the group. Non-wine-related website
announcements are off-topic, and thus should not be posted to the
group. Wine-related announcements should be limited to the launching
of a website or a major addition to/subtraction from/redesign of the
site, and they should ideally be informational, rather than
promotional, in nature. A handy rule of thumb is that if you are
posting an announcement more than once a month, you're probably
posting too often, and you're likely to get on someone's nerves, even
if your site is the best thing since the invention of bottled wine."

That rule sounds very well-worded to me. So what is the problem with
the post? The "ideally be informational" bit is the only possible
problem one could have.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher