I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some feedback...

Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...

a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price

This is causing me a headache at work as well as arguments!

Thanks again,
Lloyd

This is not going to be to helpful but I am ok with any of the three
options as long as I can clearly see how they are being grouped.

A local place seems to just list them with no regard to order, we guess
they are in order of being acquired to put on list. The first wine
listed was the first wine they offered.

J~

lloyd wrote:

> I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some feedback...
>
> Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...
>
> a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
> b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
> c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price
>
> This is causing me a headache at work as well as arguments!
>
> Thanks again,
> Lloyd

J~ > wrote in message >...
> This is not going to be to helpful but I am ok with any of the three
> options as long as I can clearly see how they are being grouped.
>

Hear, hear, J~. In Pennsylvania, the state-owned stores are somewhat
chaotic. In parts of the store, the wines are grouped by
country/region; in other parts, they're grouped by grape variety; in
other parts, they're grouped by type of packaging. Yecch! I'll be glad
if they make up their minds!

> A local place seems to just list them with no regard to order, we guess
> they are in order of being acquired to put on list. The first wine
> listed was the first wine they offered.
>
> J~
>
> lloyd wrote:
>
> > I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some feedback...
> >
> > Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...
> >
> > a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
> > b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
> > c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price
> >
> > This is causing me a headache at work as well as arguments!
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Lloyd

In . uk,
lloyd > typed:
> I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some
> feedback...
> Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist
> do
> you...
> a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
> b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by
> grape/style or
> c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price
>
> This is causing me a headache at work as well as arguments!


In a store, I probably would want them organized by country and
region.

On a restaurant wine list, it depends. If it's a short wine list,
I don't care a whle lot, because I'll get through it any way. But
if it's a really big list, I'd like it to be organized by
grape/style, and within that by price. That would save me a lot
of time turning pages past the wines I have no intention of
spending that much money for.

--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:15:08 GMT, lloyd > wrote:

>I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some feedback...
>
>Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...
>
>a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
>b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
>c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price
>
>This is causing me a headache at work as well as arguments!
>
>Thanks again,
>Lloyd

Hi Lloyd,

I usually have a country in mind(but do get side- tracked a lot), then
check out to see which kinds of wine they have to offer (and do I feel
adventuresome), and then see if the price is within my specs.

Larry
Southern Ontario

lloyd wrote:
> I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some feedback...
>
> Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...
>
> a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
> b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
> c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price
>
> This is causing me a headache at work as well as arguments!
>
> Thanks again,
> Lloyd

Hi Lloyd,

For what it's worth, I generally prefer country grouping, followed by
grape / variety grouping.

I've seen wines grouped by maker, which can be a little frustrating
(it's a very large shop). Most often I think "Hmmm, I'd love a spicey
shiraz tonight", but then have to walk up and down up and down looking
looking at each wine maker for said grape (sometimes I prefer the
browsing method tho).

But then it depends on how big a variety one has.

And what range in regards to price etc. Perhaps have a bargain section
or something similar.

Generally as a customer you have a pre-determined price spread, and
don't mind a little more or a little less price wise, so grouping by
price is probably only for trade or bargain hunting small buyers. I
wouldn't recommend it for a general shop.



Mat.

>Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...
>
>a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
>b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
>c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price
>

I like "B" segregated by price.
Bi!!

C for me.
--
Regards
Chuck
So much wine; So little time!

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"RV WRLee" > wrote in message
...
> >Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...
> >
> >a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
> >b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
> >c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price
> >
>
> I like "B" segregated by price.
> Bi!!

I prefer "B" (country/region followed by grape/style), then sorted by
vintage & then alphabetically within vintage.

Example:
FRANCE
Bordeaux
1982
Chateau La Lagune $130
etc.


"lloyd" > wrote in message
. uk...
> I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some feedback...
>
> Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...
>
> a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
> b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
> c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price
>
> This is causing me a headache at work as well as arguments!
>
> Thanks again,
> Lloyd

lloyd wrote:
> I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some feedback...
>
> Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...
>
> a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
> b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
> c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price

I'll go with the majority and choose B, further ordered by year if
possible. To me, those are 3 of the 4 factors most responsible for the
character of the wine: where it's made, what it's made from, when it was
made (and who made it). The price is important, but is irrelevant if
I'm not interested in the wine.

Mark Lipton

I've noticed that there are a couple of moderately priced wine "chain" store
operations in the US (one is a franchise just starting up) that display
their wine grouped by style, ie- "crisp, fruity, bold, mellow". The idea is,
apparently, that many people are daunted by wine selection and the simplest
way to help them select is to separate wines by how they are going to taste.
Their shelf cards happen to be very informative as well.... and that's
important to the strategy.

This idea makes some sense to me, but I wonder how others here view it IF,
hopefully, they can put themselves in the position of the average US
consumer who likely has a rather limited knowledge of wine, but is trying to
learn. That's who these stores are aimed at. Personally I'm disconcerted by
that layout in a store, but that's because I'm used to separation by region
and know that many wine varieties exhibit characteristics that share more
than one of these stores' category labels. It may not be a bad way to
reach new wine drinkers, but is that too limiting a target?

In article >, Midlife > writes:

>I've noticed that there are a couple of moderately priced wine "chain" store
>operations in the US (one is a franchise just starting up) that display
>their wine grouped by style, ie- "crisp, fruity, bold, mellow". The idea is,
>apparently, that many people are daunted by wine selection and the simplest
>way to help them select is to separate wines by how they are going to taste.
>Their shelf cards happen to be very informative as well.... and that's
>important to the strategy.
>
>This idea makes some sense to me, but I wonder how others here view it IF,
>hopefully, they can put themselves in the position of the average US
>consumer who likely has a rather limited knowledge of wine, but is trying to
>learn. That's who these stores are aimed at. Personally I'm disconcerted by
>that layout in a store, but that's because I'm used to separation by region
>and know that many wine varieties exhibit characteristics that share more
>than one of these stores' category labels. It may not be a bad way to
>reach new wine drinkers, but is that too limiting a target

I've been to a few of these (Best Cellars is the chain, the place I bought the
Pannonia wine -Grape Expectations in Tarrytown NY- is another. I don't find it
easy to navigate. I don't always agree with their classifications either!

As to original question, like other I prefer B.
Dale

Dale Williams
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On 11 Aug 2004 19:14:23 GMT, amnspam (Dale Williams) said:

] In article >, Midlife > writes:
]
] >I've noticed that there are a couple of moderately priced wine "chain" store
] >operations in the US (one is a franchise just starting up) that display
] >their wine grouped by style, ie- "crisp, fruity, bold, mellow". The idea is,
] >apparently, that many people are daunted by wine selection and the simplest
] >way to help them select is to separate wines by how they are going to taste.
] >Their shelf cards happen to be very informative as well.... and that's
] >important to the strategy.
] >
[]
] I've been to a few of these (Best Cellars is the chain, the place I bought the
] Pannonia wine -Grape Expectations in Tarrytown NY- is another. I don't find it
] easy to navigate. I don't always agree with their classifications either!
]

Seems like it would be much harder to navigate, because it depends on
an entirely subjective classification. Dale has it right: if you don't agree,
you are completely lost. I don't actually spend much time in wine stores,
but when I am there I'm usually in a hurry, these days.

] As to original question, like other I prefer B.

I agree with the herd here, too.

-E
--
Emery Davis
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In article >, Midlife > writes:

>I've noticed that there are a couple of moderately priced wine "chain" store
>operations in the US (one is a franchise just starting up) that display
>their wine grouped by style, ie- "crisp, fruity, bold, mellow". The idea is,
>apparently, that many people are daunted by wine selection and the simplest
>way to help them select is to separate wines by how they are going to taste.
>Their shelf cards happen to be very informative as well.... and that's
>important to the strategy.
>
>This idea makes some sense to me, but I wonder how others here view it IF,
>hopefully, they can put themselves in the position of the average US
>consumer who likely has a rather limited knowledge of wine, but is trying to
>learn. That's who these stores are aimed at. Personally I'm disconcerted by
>that layout in a store, but that's because I'm used to separation by region
>and know that many wine varieties exhibit characteristics that share more
>than one of these stores' category labels. It may not be a bad way to
>reach new wine drinkers, but is that too limiting a target

I've been to a few of these (Best Cellars is the chain, the place I bought the
Pannonia wine -Grape Expectations in Tarrytown NY- is another. I don't find it
easy to navigate. I don't always agree with their classifications either!

As to original question, like other I prefer B.
Dale

Dale Williams
Drop "damnspam" to reply

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:15:08 GMT, lloyd > wrote:

>I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some feedback...
>
>Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...
>
>a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
>b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
>c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price
>
>This is causing me a headache at work as well as arguments!
>
>Thanks again,
>Lloyd

I have tried a few ways to arrange the displays in my shop over the
years, the current method surviving the longest and greeted with the
most approval. Wines are in sections according to variety, and
displayed in price order. It also helps me spot a browser in the 'top
end' of a section, so I can wander over and offer assistance...:>)

hooroo....swooper

Swooper wrote:

> I have tried a few ways to arrange the displays in my shop over the
> years, the current method surviving the longest and greeted with the
> most approval. Wines are in sections according to variety, and
> displayed in price order. It also helps me spot a browser in the 'top
> end' of a section, so I can wander over and offer assistance...:>)

The secondary arrangement by price rather than alphabetically does
not help those of us who know what we want to buy.

Swooper > wrote in message >. ..
>
> I have tried a few ways to arrange the displays in my shop over the
> years, the current method surviving the longest and greeted with the
> most approval. Wines are in sections according to variety, and
> displayed in price order. It also helps me spot a browser in the 'top
> end' of a section, so I can wander over and offer assistance...:>)
>
> hooroo....swooper

I don't understand why more shops aren't organized this way. Surveys
of both core and marginal drinkers show that both groups' first shop
by varietal, then by price, then by appellation. Why are most shops
grouped by region, then?

If I want a Chardonnay, I want all my choices together rather than
having to run around the shop to compare....

/huge
http://hugejohnsonsworldofwine.blogspot.com

On 13 Aug 2004 14:27:48 -0700, (Huge Johnson)
wrote:

>Swooper > wrote in message >. ..
>>
>> I have tried a few ways to arrange the displays in my shop over the
>> years, the current method surviving the longest and greeted with the
>> most approval. Wines are in sections according to variety, and
>> displayed in price order. It also helps me spot a browser in the 'top
>> end' of a section, so I can wander over and offer assistance...:>)
>>
>> hooroo....swooper
>
>I don't understand why more shops aren't organized this way. Surveys
>of both core and marginal drinkers show that both groups' first shop
>by varietal, then by price, then by appellation. Why are most shops
>grouped by region, then?
>
>If I want a Chardonnay, I want all my choices together rather than
>having to run around the shop to compare....
>
>/huge
>http://hugejohnsonsworldofwine.blogspot.com

Thanks for the support. I must however place a disclaimer. In an
Australian wine shop, 90% of my sales are local wines, so the imported
section is small, and um,... disorganised...:>). Thus,
Apellation/Regionality not such an issue, as most varietals will have
wines from all regions, in most price points, (mind you, the
proprietors preferences are distinct, with McLaren Vale Shirazes,
Coonawarra and Margaret River Cabs, Hunter Semillions and Eden & Clare
Rieslings having a good presence). Well, if they don't sell, somebody
has to drink them..:>)

hooroo... swooper

On 13 Aug 2004 14:27:48 -0700, (Huge Johnson)
wrote:

>Swooper > wrote in message >. ..
>>
>> I have tried a few ways to arrange the displays in my shop over the
>> years, the current method surviving the longest and greeted with the
>> most approval. Wines are in sections according to variety, and
>> displayed in price order. It also helps me spot a browser in the 'top
>> end' of a section, so I can wander over and offer assistance...:>)
>>
>> hooroo....swooper
>
>I don't understand why more shops aren't organized this way. Surveys
>of both core and marginal drinkers show that both groups' first shop
>by varietal, then by price, then by appellation. Why are most shops
>grouped by region, then?
>
>If I want a Chardonnay, I want all my choices together rather than
>having to run around the shop to compare....
>
>/huge
>http://hugejohnsonsworldofwine.blogspot.com

Thanks for the support. I must however place a disclaimer. In an
Australian wine shop, 90% of my sales are local wines, so the imported
section is small, and um,... disorganised...:>). Thus,
Apellation/Regionality not such an issue, as most varietals will have
wines from all regions, in most price points, (mind you, the
proprietors preferences are distinct, with McLaren Vale Shirazes,
Coonawarra and Margaret River Cabs, Hunter Semillions and Eden & Clare
Rieslings having a good presence). Well, if they don't sell, somebody
has to drink them..:>)

hooroo... swooper

On 13 Aug 2004 14:27:48 -0700, (Huge Johnson)
wrote:

>Swooper > wrote in message >. ..
>>
>> I have tried a few ways to arrange the displays in my shop over the
>> years, the current method surviving the longest and greeted with the
>> most approval. Wines are in sections according to variety, and
>> displayed in price order. It also helps me spot a browser in the 'top
>> end' of a section, so I can wander over and offer assistance...:>)
>>
>> hooroo....swooper
>
>I don't understand why more shops aren't organized this way. Surveys
>of both core and marginal drinkers show that both groups' first shop
>by varietal, then by price, then by appellation. Why are most shops
>grouped by region, then?
>
>If I want a Chardonnay, I want all my choices together rather than
>having to run around the shop to compare....
>
>/huge
>http://hugejohnsonsworldofwine.blogspot.com

Thanks for the support. I must however place a disclaimer. In an
Australian wine shop, 90% of my sales are local wines, so the imported
section is small, and um,... disorganised...:>). Thus,
Apellation/Regionality not such an issue, as most varietals will have
wines from all regions, in most price points, (mind you, the
proprietors preferences are distinct, with McLaren Vale Shirazes,
Coonawarra and Margaret River Cabs, Hunter Semillions and Eden & Clare
Rieslings having a good presence). Well, if they don't sell, somebody
has to drink them..:>)

hooroo... swooper

Swooper wrote:

> I have tried a few ways to arrange the displays in my shop over the
> years, the current method surviving the longest and greeted with the
> most approval. Wines are in sections according to variety, and
> displayed in price order. It also helps me spot a browser in the 'top
> end' of a section, so I can wander over and offer assistance...:>)

The secondary arrangement by price rather than alphabetically does
not help those of us who know what we want to buy.

Swooper wrote:

> I have tried a few ways to arrange the displays in my shop over the
> years, the current method surviving the longest and greeted with the
> most approval. Wines are in sections according to variety, and
> displayed in price order. It also helps me spot a browser in the 'top
> end' of a section, so I can wander over and offer assistance...:>)

The secondary arrangement by price rather than alphabetically does
not help those of us who know what we want to buy.

lloyd wrote:

> I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some feedback...
>
> Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...
>
> a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
> b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
> c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price

If I'm in a shop, A. If I'm in a restaurant, C. The latter is motivated
by ignorance - essentially I want something to complement a meal, and as
I am not of sufficient wisdom to know what Chateau xyz is like a guiding
hand can be useful (or I could just ask the sommelier, if there is one).

Cheers, Dan

lloyd wrote:
> I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some feedback...
>
> Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...
>
> a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
> b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
> c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price
>
> This is causing me a headache at work as well as arguments!
>
> Thanks again,
> Lloyd

Hi Lloyd,

For what it's worth, I generally prefer country grouping, followed by
grape / variety grouping.

I've seen wines grouped by maker, which can be a little frustrating
(it's a very large shop). Most often I think "Hmmm, I'd love a spicey
shiraz tonight", but then have to walk up and down up and down looking
looking at each wine maker for said grape (sometimes I prefer the
browsing method tho).

But then it depends on how big a variety one has.

And what range in regards to price etc. Perhaps have a bargain section
or something similar.

Generally as a customer you have a pre-determined price spread, and
don't mind a little more or a little less price wise, so grouping by
price is probably only for trade or bargain hunting small buyers. I
wouldn't recommend it for a general shop.



Mat.

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:15:08 GMT, lloyd > wrote:

>I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some feedback...
>
>Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...
>
>a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
>b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
>c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price
>
>This is causing me a headache at work as well as arguments!
>
>Thanks again,
>Lloyd

Hi Lloyd,

I usually have a country in mind(but do get side- tracked a lot), then
check out to see which kinds of wine they have to offer (and do I feel
adventuresome), and then see if the price is within my specs.

Larry
Southern Ontario

lloyd wrote:

> I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some feedback...
>
> Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...
>
> a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
> b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
> c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price

If I'm in a shop, A. If I'm in a restaurant, C. The latter is motivated
by ignorance - essentially I want something to complement a meal, and as
I am not of sufficient wisdom to know what Chateau xyz is like a guiding
hand can be useful (or I could just ask the sommelier, if there is one).

Cheers, Dan

In . uk,
lloyd > typed:
> I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some
> feedback...
> Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist
> do
> you...
> a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
> b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by
> grape/style or
> c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price
>
> This is causing me a headache at work as well as arguments!


In a store, I probably would want them organized by country and
region.

On a restaurant wine list, it depends. If it's a short wine list,
I don't care a whle lot, because I'll get through it any way. But
if it's a really big list, I'd like it to be organized by
grape/style, and within that by price. That would save me a lot
of time turning pages past the wines I have no intention of
spending that much money for.

--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:15:08 GMT, lloyd > wrote:

>I'm conducting a spot of research and would appreciate some feedback...
>
>Whilst browsing for a wine in a shop or even reading a winelist do you...
>
>a)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by price or
>b)Like all wines listed by country/region followed by grape/style or
>c)Like all wines listed by grape/style followed by price
>
>This is causing me a headache at work as well as arguments!
>
>Thanks again,
>Lloyd

I have tried a few ways to arrange the displays in my shop over the
years, the current method surviving the longest and greeted with the
most approval. Wines are in sections according to variety, and
displayed in price order. It also helps me spot a browser in the 'top
end' of a section, so I can wander over and offer assistance...:>)

hooroo....swooper