A friend, Patrick Chazallet, whom some of you know, reports the
results of a wine glass tasting. Not sure of the criteria used, but
anyhow, here is the result:

9/10 Expert de Spiegelau (4.20 euros)
8.5/10 Onologue prestige d'Arc (9.50 euros)
8.5/10 Chianti Classico de Riedel (17 euros)
8/10 Authentis 42 de Spiegelau (9.80 euros)
7.5/10 Onologue prestige 45 d'Arc (11.50 euros)
7/10 INAO d'Arc (1.77 euros)
6.5/10 Authentis Magnum Bordeaux de Spiegelau (12 euros)
6.5/10 Bordeaux rouge de Riedel (21 euros)
6/10 Bourgogne blanc de Baccarat (97 euros)
6/10 Chardonnay de Riedel (16.50 euros)
5.5/10 Verre Taster d'Esprit et Vin (27 euros)
5/10 Bordeaux rouge de Baccarat (67 euros)
4.5/10 Impitoyable n°1 d'Esprit et Vin (51 euros)
4/10 Exploreur 5 de Atelier du Vin (20 euros)
4/10 Impitoyable n°2 de Esprit et Vin (51 euros)

Mike




Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Tommasi" >
Newsgroups: alt.food.wine
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 12:47 PM
Subject: Wine glass competition


> A friend, Patrick Chazallet, whom some of you know, reports the
> results of a wine glass tasting. Not sure of the criteria used, but
> anyhow, here is the result:
<...>

The rampant absence of IKEA Svalka (EU 4, pack of six) sears my eye balls
....



Nils Gustaf

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:44:02 GMT, "Nils Gustaf Lindgren"
> wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mike Tommasi" >
>Newsgroups: alt.food.wine
>Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 12:47 PM
>Subject: Wine glass competition
>
>
>> A friend, Patrick Chazallet, whom some of you know, reports the
>> results of a wine glass tasting. Not sure of the criteria used, but
>> anyhow, here is the result:
><...>
>
>The rampant absence of IKEA Svalka (EU 4, pack of six) sears my eye balls

I must try this Nils.

Since you have booked your september visit to my local IKEA in Toulon,
you can introduce me to this model then ! We'll pick up a six pack and
compare them to my Spiegelaus over a Bandol or two...

Mike

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

Mike Tommasi > wrote:

> Since you have booked your september visit to my local IKEA in
> Toulon, you can introduce me to this model then ! We'll pick up
> a six pack and compare them to my Spiegelaus over a Bandol or
> two...

Here's the glassware in French:

<http://www.ikea.fr/webapp/wcs/stores...splay?catalogI
d=10101&storeId=4&productId=12653&langId=-
2&parentCats=10118*10332*10335>

or

<http://snipurl.com/8fk8>

M.

"Mike Tommasi" > skrev i meddelandet
...
> On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:44:02 GMT, "Nils Gustaf Lindgren"
> > wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mike Tommasi" >
> >Newsgroups: alt.food.wine
> >Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 12:47 PM
> >Subject: Wine glass competition
> >
> >
> >> A friend, Patrick Chazallet, whom some of you know, reports the
> >> results of a wine glass tasting. Not sure of the criteria used, but
> >> anyhow, here is the result:
> ><...>
> >
> >The rampant absence of IKEA Svalka (EU 4, pack of six) sears my eye balls
>
> I must try this Nils.
>
> Since you have booked your september visit to my local IKEA in Toulon,
> you can introduce me to this model then ! We'll pick up a six pack and
> compare them to my Spiegelaus over a Bandol or two...


OK, OK, OK ... yes, Mike, your Spiegelaus are better than the best IKEA can
offer, I admit and confess ...
As for this tasting, we´ll see what can be done - things are liable to be
rather rushed ... unless, of course, you´re interested in carrying
furntiture to our apartment (4th floor, minuscule elevator) ... but it
would make a gorgeous house warming party, don´t you think?

Cheers!

Nils Gustaf

--
Respond to nils dot lindgren at drchips dot se

"Nils Gustaf Lindgren" wrote in message

> OK, OK, OK ... yes, Mike, your Spiegelaus are better than the
> best IKEA can offer, I admit and confess ... <snip>

3-4 years ago, we bought one set each of both the IKEA red and white
glasses. They've served us well for the usual $5.99 - $12.99 bottles of wine
we've enjoyed. Even for those special occasions, when we'd splurge close to
$20 per bottle, not too sure if lead crystal may have made our wine taste
any better.

But now we're into much more expensive wines (not every week, we still enjoy
our favorite cheapies). But I'd say at least once a month, we're opening up
a $50+ Bordeaux, and are acquiring a nice collection: so far $50 - $130
(excluding shipping) per bottle, mostly found on winecommune.com. I'm
looking to grow my collection even more, eventually containing some real
classics. Also aim is to build a wine cellar, but that's another story in
itself.

Additionally, we seem to be entertaining larger groups of friends these days
(or there are just more wine drinkers than there used to be) -- our seven
IKEA glasses (one broke) are no longer enough. Saw something about "Riedel"
here a few weeks ago, checked out the prices, and decided to go to IKEA once
again. However, this "Spiegelaus" does look like it would be not only
affordable, but add a little elegance too. But I do have a few questions
before I place my order through amazon.com....

1) What's the difference between their "Authetis" and "Vino Grande" sets
(unlike Riedel, their web-site is not that helpful).

2) Why would I want to choose a Bordeaux glass over a Red Wine glass. Will
it make my Bordeaux taste better? Would it make plain Merlot taste worse?

3) "Magnum Bordeaux glass"? I can understand a Magnum Decanter, but how
should that make a difference? Is it just a bigger glass?

4) And speaking of decanters, currently I use a glass jug (like they would
serve iced tea in. It seems to work okay, but might my wine taste any better
if I decanted it in a "proper" container?

Thanks

"Vincent" > wrote in
:

<snips>

> Additionally, we seem to be entertaining larger groups of friends
> these days (or there are just more wine drinkers than there used to
> be) -- our seven IKEA glasses (one broke) are no longer enough. Saw
> something about "Riedel" here a few weeks ago, checked out the prices,
> and decided to go to IKEA once again. However, this "Spiegelaus" does
> look like it would be not only affordable, but add a little elegance
> too. But I do have a few questions before I place my order through
> amazon.com....
>
<snips>

Hey Vincent, here's a tip, every so often, Amazon has a special on
Spiegelau, buy a set of one type of glass, get another, free. I think
Dale has purchased some(?), anyone know the last time they had the sale?
The last mention I've seen in the group was December...
d

Vincent wrote:

> Additionally, we seem to be entertaining larger groups of friends these days
> (or there are just more wine drinkers than there used to be) -- our seven
> IKEA glasses (one broke) are no longer enough. Saw something about "Riedel"
> here a few weeks ago, checked out the prices, and decided to go to IKEA once
> again. However, this "Spiegelaus" does look like it would be not only
> affordable, but add a little elegance too. But I do have a few questions
> before I place my order through amazon.com....

Places like Costco and Sam's have excellent sales on Riedel glasses from
time to time. I bought a set of 8 Bordeaux glasses from Costco for $72
after spending $68 each for Burgundy glasses from a wholesaler.

Mike Tommasi > wrote:

> Since you have booked your september visit to my local IKEA in
> Toulon, you can introduce me to this model then ! We'll pick up
> a six pack and compare them to my Spiegelaus over a Bandol or
> two...

Here's the glassware in French:

<http://www.ikea.fr/webapp/wcs/stores...splay?catalogI
d=10101&storeId=4&productId=12653&langId=-
2&parentCats=10118*10332*10335>

or

<http://snipurl.com/8fk8>

M.

"Mike Tommasi" > skrev i meddelandet
...
> On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:44:02 GMT, "Nils Gustaf Lindgren"
> > wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mike Tommasi" >
> >Newsgroups: alt.food.wine
> >Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 12:47 PM
> >Subject: Wine glass competition
> >
> >
> >> A friend, Patrick Chazallet, whom some of you know, reports the
> >> results of a wine glass tasting. Not sure of the criteria used, but
> >> anyhow, here is the result:
> ><...>
> >
> >The rampant absence of IKEA Svalka (EU 4, pack of six) sears my eye balls
>
> I must try this Nils.
>
> Since you have booked your september visit to my local IKEA in Toulon,
> you can introduce me to this model then ! We'll pick up a six pack and
> compare them to my Spiegelaus over a Bandol or two...


OK, OK, OK ... yes, Mike, your Spiegelaus are better than the best IKEA can
offer, I admit and confess ...
As for this tasting, we´ll see what can be done - things are liable to be
rather rushed ... unless, of course, you´re interested in carrying
furntiture to our apartment (4th floor, minuscule elevator) ... but it
would make a gorgeous house warming party, don´t you think?

Cheers!

Nils Gustaf

--
Respond to nils dot lindgren at drchips dot se

"Nils Gustaf Lindgren" > wrote:

> The rampant absence of IKEA Svalka (EU 4, pack of six) sears my
> eye balls

100 per cent ACK!

M.,
just drinking Tatu 2001, Primitivo del Tarantino IGT, out of "SVALKA
Red Wine" to be seen he

<http://www.ikea.at/webapp/wcs/stores...splay?catalogI
d=10101&storeId=8&productId=12653&langId=-
21&parentCats=10118*10332*10335>

or, shorter,

<http://snipurl.com/8fk4>

On 14 Aug 2004 14:15:05 GMT, Michael Pronay > wrote:

>"Nils Gustaf Lindgren" > wrote:
>
>> The rampant absence of IKEA Svalka (EU 4, pack of six) sears my
>> eye balls
>
>100 per cent ACK!


BTW, I was rummaging around a nice store in Catalunya last week, and
picked up a very nice decanter from Schott Zwiesel or something like
that, a perfect shape if you ask me, none of these silly flat carafes
that are impossible to hold when pouring. Almost a chemistry lab
shape, nice and round on the bottom, wide long neck, light weight.
Cheap. Unbreakable crystal.

Mike

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

Mike Tommasi > wrote:

> BTW, I was rummaging around a nice store in Catalunya last week,
> and picked up a very nice decanter from Schott Zwiesel or
> something like that, a perfect shape if you ask me, none of
> these silly flat carafes that are impossible to hold when
> pouring. Almost a chemistry lab shape, nice and round on the
> bottom, wide long neck, light weight. Cheap. Unbreakable
> crystal.

Unbreakable crystal doesn't exist.

Anyhow, I recently gave up using decanters altogether, although I
own more than half a dozen (including a 3000 ml chemistry flask I
bought for decanting my first double magnum last summer).

What I do now is quite simple: I double decant (with a funnel), so
that in the end the wine is back in its original (rinsed, of
course, if there was deposit) bottle.

The reason is quite simple: With bottles I can use drop-stop foils
which reduce the risk of tainting the tablecloth to near zero,
while no such device exists for decanters. With the latter I
always have to use napkins, because non-dripping decanters do not
exist. (If somebody else at the table helps himself, they never
bother to take the napkin, and there you are again with the
stains.)

Besides, double decanting into the original bottle minimizes the
risk of confusion when you serve more than one wine.

M.

On 14 Aug 2004 17:05:48 GMT, Michael Pronay > wrote:

>Mike Tommasi > wrote:
>
>> BTW, I was rummaging around a nice store in Catalunya last week,
>> and picked up a very nice decanter from Schott Zwiesel or
>> something like that, a perfect shape if you ask me, none of
>> these silly flat carafes that are impossible to hold when
>> pouring. Almost a chemistry lab shape, nice and round on the
>> bottom, wide long neck, light weight. Cheap. Unbreakable
>> crystal.
>
>Unbreakable crystal doesn't exist.
>
>Anyhow, I recently gave up using decanters altogether, although I
>own more than half a dozen (including a 3000 ml chemistry flask I
>bought for decanting my first double magnum last summer).
>
>What I do now is quite simple: I double decant (with a funnel), so
>that in the end the wine is back in its original (rinsed, of
>course, if there was deposit) bottle.
>
>The reason is quite simple: With bottles I can use drop-stop foils
>which reduce the risk of tainting the tablecloth to near zero,
>while no such device exists for decanters. With the latter I
>always have to use napkins, because non-dripping decanters do not
>exist. (If somebody else at the table helps himself, they never
>bother to take the napkin, and there you are again with the
>stains.)
>
>Besides, double decanting into the original bottle minimizes the
>risk of confusion when you serve more than one wine.

Most of the wines I drink don't need decanting but rather need
aeration. In fact I have been using a spare bottle and leave the wine
for a while in two half-filled bottles, then at serving time put all
the liquid back into the original one.

But I remember your post aboutthe chemistry flask, and I still want to
try and find that elusive ideal glassware

Mike

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

Salut/Hi Michael Pronay,

le/on 14 Aug 2004 17:05:48 GMT, tu disais/you said:-


>Besides, double decanting into the original bottle minimizes the
>risk of confusion when you serve more than one wine.

And if it's good enough for Ch Lafite, it's good enough for you? ;-)))

(GD&R)

--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

On 14 Aug 2004 17:05:48 GMT, Michael Pronay > wrote:

>
>What I do now is quite simple: I double decant (with a funnel), so
>that in the end the wine is back in its original (rinsed, of
>course, if there was deposit) bottle.


Sedement and all?

Salut/Hi Michael Pronay,

le/on 14 Aug 2004 17:05:48 GMT, tu disais/you said:-


>Besides, double decanting into the original bottle minimizes the
>risk of confusion when you serve more than one wine.

And if it's good enough for Ch Lafite, it's good enough for you? ;-)))

(GD&R)

--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

The more lead, the softer the crystal.

On 14 Aug 2004 17:05:48 GMT, Michael Pronay > wrote:

>
>> BTW, I was rummaging around a nice store in Catalunya last week,
>> and picked up a very nice decanter from Schott Zwiesel or
>> something like that, a perfect shape if you ask me, none of
>> these silly flat carafes that are impossible to hold when
>> pouring. Almost a chemistry lab shape, nice and round on the
>> bottom, wide long neck, light weight. Cheap. Unbreakable
>> crystal.

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:44:02 GMT, "Nils Gustaf Lindgren"
> wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mike Tommasi" >
>Newsgroups: alt.food.wine
>Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 12:47 PM
>Subject: Wine glass competition
>
>
>> A friend, Patrick Chazallet, whom some of you know, reports the
>> results of a wine glass tasting. Not sure of the criteria used, but
>> anyhow, here is the result:
><...>
>
>The rampant absence of IKEA Svalka (EU 4, pack of six) sears my eye balls

I must try this Nils.

Since you have booked your september visit to my local IKEA in Toulon,
you can introduce me to this model then ! We'll pick up a six pack and
compare them to my Spiegelaus over a Bandol or two...

Mike

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail

"Nils Gustaf Lindgren" > wrote:

> The rampant absence of IKEA Svalka (EU 4, pack of six) sears my
> eye balls

100 per cent ACK!

M.,
just drinking Tatu 2001, Primitivo del Tarantino IGT, out of "SVALKA
Red Wine" to be seen he

<http://www.ikea.at/webapp/wcs/stores...splay?catalogI
d=10101&storeId=8&productId=12653&langId=-
21&parentCats=10118*10332*10335>

or, shorter,

<http://snipurl.com/8fk4>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Tommasi" >
Newsgroups: alt.food.wine
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 12:47 PM
Subject: Wine glass competition


> A friend, Patrick Chazallet, whom some of you know, reports the
> results of a wine glass tasting. Not sure of the criteria used, but
> anyhow, here is the result:
<...>

The rampant absence of IKEA Svalka (EU 4, pack of six) sears my eye balls
....



Nils Gustaf