Take a look at this Rhone vineyard please.
http://www.kobrandwine.com/photo_gal...04/img0098.jpg

Were the rocks added (perhaps to reflect sunlight) or were the vines
planted in a flint field?

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Leo Bueno > wrote in message >. ..
> Take a look at this Rhone vineyard please.
> http://www.kobrandwine.com/photo_gal...04/img0098.jpg
>
> Were the rocks added (perhaps to reflect sunlight) or were the vines
> planted in a flint field?


Hmm...maybe they planted their vine-yard in a scree-yard?

I have heard about vignerons in Burgundy (Corton, I think) religiously
gathering the stones that drifted downslope and placing them back on
top of their goilden hills.

Cool picture!

Leo Bueno > wrote in message >. ..
> Take a look at this Rhone vineyard please.
> http://www.kobrandwine.com/photo_gal...04/img0098.jpg
>
> Were the rocks added (perhaps to reflect sunlight) or were the vines
> planted in a flint field?


Hmm...maybe they planted their vine-yard in a scree-yard?

I have heard about vignerons in Burgundy (Corton, I think) religiously
gathering the stones that drifted downslope and placing them back on
top of their goilden hills.

Cool picture!

"Markus" > skrev i melding
om...
> Leo Bueno > wrote in message
>. ..
> > Take a look at this Rhone vineyard please.
> > http://www.kobrandwine.com/photo_gal...04/img0098.jpg
> >
> > Were the rocks added (perhaps to reflect sunlight) or were the vines
> > planted in a flint field?
>
>
> Hmm...maybe they planted their vine-yard in a scree-yard?
>
> I have heard about vignerons in Burgundy (Corton, I think) religiously
> gathering the stones that drifted downslope and placing them back on
> top of their goilden hills.
>
In fact, true, but just because the best soil on the slopes is different
(marl) than in the valleys. If you imagine the valleys cutting through the
layers of rock and soil or gravel or whatever, it's easy to understand that
different parts of the slopes have a different composition.
With respect to the stones of the Rhone - are you sure that it wasn't
Chateauneuf-de-Pape? No, the stones were not put there, the vines were -
i.e. again favorable conditions. Vines thrive best when they have to fight
for a living (like people, lean is mean).
Most vineyards are in places unfit for just about any other sort of
agriculture.
Anders

"Markus" > skrev i melding
om...
> Leo Bueno > wrote in message
>. ..
> > Take a look at this Rhone vineyard please.
> > http://www.kobrandwine.com/photo_gal...04/img0098.jpg
> >
> > Were the rocks added (perhaps to reflect sunlight) or were the vines
> > planted in a flint field?
>
>
> Hmm...maybe they planted their vine-yard in a scree-yard?
>
> I have heard about vignerons in Burgundy (Corton, I think) religiously
> gathering the stones that drifted downslope and placing them back on
> top of their goilden hills.
>
In fact, true, but just because the best soil on the slopes is different
(marl) than in the valleys. If you imagine the valleys cutting through the
layers of rock and soil or gravel or whatever, it's easy to understand that
different parts of the slopes have a different composition.
With respect to the stones of the Rhone - are you sure that it wasn't
Chateauneuf-de-Pape? No, the stones were not put there, the vines were -
i.e. again favorable conditions. Vines thrive best when they have to fight
for a living (like people, lean is mean).
Most vineyards are in places unfit for just about any other sort of
agriculture.
Anders

"Anders Tørneskog" > skrev i melding
...
>
> i.e. again favorable conditions. Vines thrive best when they have to
fight
> for a living (like people, lean is mean).
>
Ah, well, not too lean of course :-) The stones magazine day heat making
nights less cold, I've heard.
Anders

"Anders Tørneskog" > skrev i melding
...
>
> i.e. again favorable conditions. Vines thrive best when they have to
fight
> for a living (like people, lean is mean).
>
Ah, well, not too lean of course :-) The stones magazine day heat making
nights less cold, I've heard.
Anders

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:52:24 GMT, "Anders T=F8rneskog" <sredna.goksenrot@i2=
c.ten> said:

]=20
] "Anders T=F8rneskog" > skrev i melding
] ...
] >
] > i.e. again favorable conditions. Vines thrive best when they have to
] fight
] > for a living (like people, lean is mean).
] >
] Ah, well, not too lean of course :-) The stones magazine day heat making
] nights less cold, I've heard.

That's certainly the theory, anyway.

As to the picture, it's hard to say whether the stone is native or not. I'=
ve never
heard of anyone trucking in stone, but who knows? It doesn't look like the=
native
stones of Chateauneuf du Pape, which are the "galettes" types: round (flat=
tened oval)
and a bit more tan, presumably formed from some sort of glacial run-off. Th=
ere are
certainly plently of vineyards with this much rock, but this does have a li=
ttle bit
of a quarried look to it.

If you tell us where it is more precisely, perhaps we can answer. Remember=
, the
Rhone valley is a _big_ area.

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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:52:24 GMT, "Anders T=F8rneskog" <sredna.goksenrot@i2=
c.ten> said:

]=20
] "Anders T=F8rneskog" > skrev i melding
] ...
] >
] > i.e. again favorable conditions. Vines thrive best when they have to
] fight
] > for a living (like people, lean is mean).
] >
] Ah, well, not too lean of course :-) The stones magazine day heat making
] nights less cold, I've heard.

That's certainly the theory, anyway.

As to the picture, it's hard to say whether the stone is native or not. I'=
ve never
heard of anyone trucking in stone, but who knows? It doesn't look like the=
native
stones of Chateauneuf du Pape, which are the "galettes" types: round (flat=
tened oval)
and a bit more tan, presumably formed from some sort of glacial run-off. Th=
ere are
certainly plently of vineyards with this much rock, but this does have a li=
ttle bit
of a quarried look to it.

If you tell us where it is more precisely, perhaps we can answer. Remember=
, the
Rhone valley is a _big_ area.

-E
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:33:34 GMT, "Anders T=F8rneskog" <sredna.goksenrot@i2=
c.ten> said:

[]
] With respect to the stones of the Rhone - are you sure that it wasn't
] Chateauneuf-de-Pape? No, the stones were not put there, the vines were -
[]

w/ respect to Chateauneuf, here's a picture of what I'd consider more
typical stones:

http://www.fc-kirchberg.ch/Senioren/...3/HPIM0020.JPG

HTH

-E

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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:33:34 GMT, "Anders T=F8rneskog" <sredna.goksenrot@i2=
c.ten> said:

[]
] With respect to the stones of the Rhone - are you sure that it wasn't
] Chateauneuf-de-Pape? No, the stones were not put there, the vines were -
[]

w/ respect to Chateauneuf, here's a picture of what I'd consider more
typical stones:

http://www.fc-kirchberg.ch/Senioren/...3/HPIM0020.JPG

HTH

-E

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Emery Davis wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:52:24 GMT, "Anders Tørneskog" > said:
>
> ]
> ] "Anders Tørneskog" > skrev i melding
> ] ...
> ] >
> ] > i.e. again favorable conditions. Vines thrive best when they have to
> ] fight
> ] > for a living (like people, lean is mean).
> ] >
> ] Ah, well, not too lean of course :-) The stones magazine day heat making
> ] nights less cold, I've heard.
>
> That's certainly the theory, anyway.
>
> As to the picture, it's hard to say whether the stone is native or not. I've never
> heard of anyone trucking in stone, but who knows? It doesn't look like the native
> stones of Chateauneuf du Pape, which are the "galettes" types: round (flattened oval)
> and a bit more tan, presumably formed from some sort of glacial run-off. There are
> certainly plently of vineyards with this much rock, but this does have a little bit
> of a quarried look to it.

Surely galettes are more often found in your neck of the woods, Emery. In CdP they're
galets, non? ;-) Since Leo's photo is of Mont-Redon's vineyard, it is probably CdP :P I
remember someone telling me that the stones of La Crau were different, but I doubt that
what we're looking at is La Crau. It probably accounts for why Mont-Redon's wines are
usually so disappointing.

Mark Lipton
(gradually making his way through the 200+ posts he missed)

Emery Davis wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:52:24 GMT, "Anders Tørneskog" > said:
>
> ]
> ] "Anders Tørneskog" > skrev i melding
> ] ...
> ] >
> ] > i.e. again favorable conditions. Vines thrive best when they have to
> ] fight
> ] > for a living (like people, lean is mean).
> ] >
> ] Ah, well, not too lean of course :-) The stones magazine day heat making
> ] nights less cold, I've heard.
>
> That's certainly the theory, anyway.
>
> As to the picture, it's hard to say whether the stone is native or not. I've never
> heard of anyone trucking in stone, but who knows? It doesn't look like the native
> stones of Chateauneuf du Pape, which are the "galettes" types: round (flattened oval)
> and a bit more tan, presumably formed from some sort of glacial run-off. There are
> certainly plently of vineyards with this much rock, but this does have a little bit
> of a quarried look to it.

Surely galettes are more often found in your neck of the woods, Emery. In CdP they're
galets, non? ;-) Since Leo's photo is of Mont-Redon's vineyard, it is probably CdP :P I
remember someone telling me that the stones of La Crau were different, but I doubt that
what we're looking at is La Crau. It probably accounts for why Mont-Redon's wines are
usually so disappointing.

Mark Lipton
(gradually making his way through the 200+ posts he missed)

Emery Davis wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:52:24 GMT, "Anders Tørneskog" > said:
>
> ]
> ] "Anders Tørneskog" > skrev i melding
> ] ...
> ] >
> ] > i.e. again favorable conditions. Vines thrive best when they have to
> ] fight
> ] > for a living (like people, lean is mean).
> ] >
> ] Ah, well, not too lean of course :-) The stones magazine day heat making
> ] nights less cold, I've heard.
>
> That's certainly the theory, anyway.
>
> As to the picture, it's hard to say whether the stone is native or not. I've never
> heard of anyone trucking in stone, but who knows? It doesn't look like the native
> stones of Chateauneuf du Pape, which are the "galettes" types: round (flattened oval)
> and a bit more tan, presumably formed from some sort of glacial run-off. There are
> certainly plently of vineyards with this much rock, but this does have a little bit
> of a quarried look to it.

Surely galettes are more often found in your neck of the woods, Emery. In CdP they're
galets, non? ;-) Since Leo's photo is of Mont-Redon's vineyard, it is probably CdP :P I
remember someone telling me that the stones of La Crau were different, but I doubt that
what we're looking at is La Crau. It probably accounts for why Mont-Redon's wines are
usually so disappointing.

Mark Lipton
(gradually making his way through the 200+ posts he missed)

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:57:24 GMT, Mark Lipton > said:

]=20
]=20
] Emery Davis wrote:
]=20
] > On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:52:24 GMT, "Anders T=F8rneskog" <sredna.goksenro=
> said:
] >
] > ]
] > ] "Anders T=F8rneskog" > skrev i melding
] > ] ...
] > ] >
] > ] > i.e. again favorable conditions. Vines thrive best when they have =
to
] > ] fight
] > ] > for a living (like people, lean is mean).
] > ] >
] > ] Ah, well, not too lean of course :-) The stones magazine day heat ma=
king
] > ] nights less cold, I've heard.
] >
] > That's certainly the theory, anyway.
] >
] > As to the picture, it's hard to say whether the stone is native or not.=
I've never
] > heard of anyone trucking in stone, but who knows? It doesn't look like=
the native
] > stones of Chateauneuf du Pape, which are the "galettes" types: round (=
flattened oval)
] > and a bit more tan, presumably formed from some sort of glacial run-off=
.. There are
] > certainly plently of vineyards with this much rock, but this does have =
a little bit
] > of a quarried look to it.
]=20
] Surely galettes are more often found in your neck of the woods, Emery. I=
n CdP they're
] galets, non? ;-)=20

Erm, oui. Type in haste, etc. Of course I suppose the Fete des Rois is=20
celebrated nationally. Therefore there are neither more nor less galettes =
in CdP.

] Since Leo's photo is of Mont-Redon's vineyard, it is probably CdP :P I
] remember someone telling me that the stones of La Crau were different, bu=
t I doubt that
] what we're looking at is La Crau. It probably accounts for why Mont-Redo=
n's wines are
] usually so disappointing.
]=20

Is it Mont-Redon? I must have missed a post, or not looked very carefully =
at the link.
You've lost me with La Crau, unless you refer to the practically eponymous =
Dom
Mont Redon (Cotes de Provence).

Here's a link to some photos of Ch Mont-Redon, they look like the regular g=
alets to
me:

http://www.bkwine.com/wine_pictures/...ne/mont_redon/

Certainly M-R is usually pretty disappointing. It seems to me I did have a=
decent
one not too long ago, have to consult my notes!=20

] Mark Lipton
] (gradually making his way through the 200+ posts he missed)
]=20

Yes, it's hard to catch up when things get going, eh?

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Salut/Hi Leo Bueno,

le/on Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:54:13 GMT, tu disais/you said:-

>
>Take a look at this Rhone vineyard please.
>http://www.kobrandwine.com/photo_gal...04/img0098.jpg
>
>Were the rocks added (perhaps to reflect sunlight) or were the vines
>planted in a flint field?

Interesting. One thing is certain, the vineyard is not in
Chateauneauf-du-Pape. The rocks look sort of limestone-y. I'm afraid I don't
recognise the vineyard and I don't know anywhere with that amount of
naturally occurring broken rock like that. I don't think I've ever seen
anything like it in any of the (not too many) Rhone vineyards that I've
visited. (Tavel, Chateauneuf, Hermitage, Beaumes de Venise).
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