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What follows is the account of what else I did during a recent 5 day
stint in Ventura, CA for a scientific meeting. Day 1 - Los Olivos With a free afternoon to burn, I motored up from Ventura to Los Olivos by the most direct route, CA Hwy 154, thereby traversing the westward arm of Los Padres Nat'l Forest via San Marcos pass, then down to Lake Cachuma and on through the Chumash Indian reservation and into the Santa Ynez Valley. My first stop on this day was at Stolpman in "downtown" Los Olivos. Entering via a footpath leading through the front door of the house, I find myself in their cramped "tasting room." Finding myself one-on-one with the woman pouring the wine (a leitmotif of this trip) I proceeded to taste through the lineup of wines: 2008 Sauvignon Blanc (20% barrel aged, 80% Inox) - citrus and herbs, rounded mouthfeel with good acidity, much like a restrained example of Marlborough SB 2005 'La Coppa' Syrah - an initial lactic and piney impression gives way to red berry fruit in a restrained and structured package -- very nice 2006 Sangiovese (100% new French oak) - dark cherry fruit with alcohol sticking out, a bit tannic and quite anonymous (like every CA Sangio I've yet had) 2007 Estate Syrah - a nose of pine sap and alcoholic heat, acidic and tight, dark berry fruit -- not as appealing as the La Coppa, but possibly more ageworthy 2006 Hilltops Syrah - more of that lactic and piney character with more alcohol sticking out, soft tannins, red berry fruit with some citric, herbal and pepper notes -- this was the tête de cuvée bottling, but too pricey for what it offered 2007 'La Croce' (Sangio/Syrah/? blend) - mix pine sap, blueberry and red cherry fruit, add some tannins and acid and you've got this very anonymous blend The people were friendly and informative and the wines well made, but only a few truly appealed to me. Although the wines weren't overtly oaky, the use of 100-200% (seriously!) new French oak in all but their 'La Coppa' Syrah to me obscured much of their character. A $10 tasting fee was credited to a purchase of wine (and you get a complimentary glass, something I need like a hole in the head). I then walked two blocks to the recently opened Qupé tasting room, where again I was the only visitor, altthough toward the end of my visit another winemaker walked in to invite the staff to a winery opening. 2008 Verdad Rosé (Tempranillo/Garnacha) - some minerality and citrus, light, fairly crisp and lightly fruity -- OK, but no more 2008 Verdad Albariño - salty, herbal and slightly floral, light and herbaceous -- no resemblance I can see to any Albariño I've ever had before. Interesting more from a novelty perspective than out of real appeal. 2006 Qupé Roussanne - buttery, licorice, fairly full body with balanced acidity -- a pretty good example of a CA Roussanne, which is a backhanded compliment if ever there was. 2007 Verdad Tempranillo (20% Grenache, 4% Syrah) - smelling lightly of smelly socks and stones, tasting of dusty cherry fruit in a structured package -- not bad, but not exciting either 2007 Qupé Los Olivos Cuvée (68% Syrah/26% Mourvedre/16% Grenache) - bright red fruit, slightly alcoholic and tart -- pretty good but needs a bit of time 2007 Qupé Syrah Bien Nacido Vyd - seaweed and red berry fruit, well structured -- now this is the real deal! Sign me up, baby! 2006 Qupé Syrah Alisos Vyd - spicy dark fruit, big and briery, tannic -- much bigger wine, but again structured for the long haul; I'm sure that this will turn out well with some serious aging 2006 Qupé Syrah Nielson Vyd - soy sauce and red fruit, much less tannic than the Alisos -- probably the least impressive of the three monocepage Syrahs. The Verdad wines are made by Bob Lindquist's wife. They also taste Ethan wines there, which are made by his son, though none were available on the day of my visit. The wine was being poured by Bob Lindquist's son-in-law while his daughter was working in a back office. After the conversation got interesting, she wandered into the tasting area and, after a while, related the following story: she gets a phone call from Tom Hill ("an old friend of dad's") who tells her that he's just read Parker's reviews of the latest Qupé wines ("taking Bob to the woodshed") and has to find out what's up for himself, so he orders one bottle of everything that they're selling, then calls back the next week to order three cases more. As she's telling this story, I just laugh and laugh and mention that I've heard something of the outcome. Overall, this was my favorite visit of the day, both for the wines and for the people. My last stop before returning to Ventura was at Beckmen. For the first and only time during my visit, I actually entered a busy tasting room. I finally managed to signal for the attention of the one server and selected the tasting of their "Purisma Mountain" wines. While it was hard to have much of a conversation with the guy pouring the wines, I did manage to extract a bit of information. All their vineyards are Demeter-certified biodynamic and, judging from the attitude of the pourer, they are quite proud of that fact and, in turn, dismissive of other wineries that are only employing organic viticulture. I didn't get the chance to probe his opinions on some of the loopier aspects of Steinerite doctrine. 2007 Purisma Mountain Marsanne - white stone fruit, crisp and not too heavy -- a decent example of Marsanne, but not my favorite grape 2007 P.M. Grenache - lactic, with some alcohol showing, candied cherry fruit and licorice -- far from my favorite rendition of Grenache 2007 P.M. Syrah - smoky, somewhat meaty, dark fruit and fairly well structured -- quite evolved but a fairly appealing if not overly complex Syrah 2007 P.M. Syrah 'Clone#1' - slightly piney, bright red berry fruit, well structured -- my favorite wine of this tasting 2007 P.M. Syrah 'Clone#6' - very rich mouthfeel, red berry fruit and chocolate -- nope, not my kind of Syrah It would have been interesting to get the pourer's views on the clonal distinction between the various Syrahs and whether there were differences in the soil, exposure, etc., but alas time didn't permit that level of detail. One thing I'll note in passing is that vineyard maps were available at virtually every winery I visited, so that one could see the various parcels and what was planted where. Moreover, I found the service staff very knowledgeable about their wineries and the vineyard practices employed, which was a very pleasant surprise. On the negative side, Beckmen was the only stop where the tasting fee wasn't applied to a purchase. Your roving reporter, Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.cwdjr.net |
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On Mar 16, 12:11�am, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> What follows is the account of what else I did during a recent 5 day > stint in Ventura, CA for a scientific meeting. > > Day 1 - Los Olivos > With a free afternoon to burn, I motored up from Ventura to Los Olivos > by the most direct route, CA Hwy 154, thereby traversing the westward > arm of Los Padres Nat'l Forest via San Marcos pass, then down to Lake > Cachuma and on through the Chumash Indian reservation and into the Santa > Ynez Valley. �My first stop on this day was at Stolpman in "downtown" > Los Olivos. �Entering via a footpath leading through the front door of > the house, I find myself in their cramped "tasting room." �Finding > myself one-on-one with the woman pouring the wine (a leitmotif of this > trip) I proceeded to taste through the lineup of wines: > > 2008 Sauvignon Blanc (20% barrel aged, 80% Inox) - citrus and herbs, > rounded mouthfeel with good acidity, much like a restrained example of > Marlborough SB > > 2005 'La Coppa' Syrah - an initial lactic and piney impression gives way > to red berry fruit in a restrained and structured package -- very nice > > 2006 Sangiovese (100% new French oak) - dark cherry fruit with alcohol > sticking out, a bit tannic and quite anonymous (like every CA Sangio > I've yet had) > > 2007 Estate Syrah - a nose of pine sap and alcoholic heat, acidic and > tight, dark berry fruit -- not as appealing as the La Coppa, but > possibly more ageworthy > > 2006 Hilltops Syrah - more of that lactic and piney character with more > alcohol sticking out, soft tannins, red berry fruit with some citric, > herbal and pepper notes -- this was the t te de cuv e bottling, but too > pricey for what it offered > > 2007 'La Croce' �(Sangio/Syrah/? blend) - mix pine sap, blueberry and > red cherry fruit, add some tannins and acid and you've got this very > anonymous blend > > The people were friendly and informative and the wines well made, but > only a few truly appealed to me. �Although the wines weren't overtly > oaky, the use of 100-200% (seriously!) new French oak in all but their > 'La Coppa' Syrah to me obscured much of their character. �A $10 tasting > fee was credited to a purchase of wine (and you get a complimentary > glass, something I need like a hole in the head). > > I then walked two blocks to the recently opened Qup tasting room, where > again I was the only visitor, altthough toward the end of my visit > another winemaker walked in to invite the staff to a winery opening. > > 2008 Verdad Ros (Tempranillo/Garnacha) - some minerality and citrus, > light, fairly crisp and lightly fruity -- OK, but no more > > 2008 Verdad Albari o - salty, herbal and slightly floral, light and > herbaceous -- no resemblance I can see to any Albari o I've ever had > before. �Interesting more from a novelty perspective than out of real > appeal. > > 2006 Qup Roussanne - buttery, licorice, fairly full body with balanced > acidity �-- a pretty good example of a CA Roussanne, which is a > backhanded compliment if ever there was. > > 2007 Verdad Tempranillo (20% Grenache, 4% Syrah) - smelling lightly of > smelly socks and stones, tasting of dusty cherry fruit in a structured > package -- not bad, but not exciting either > > 2007 Qup Los Olivos Cuv e (68% Syrah/26% Mourvedre/16% Grenache) - > bright red fruit, slightly alcoholic and tart -- pretty good but needs a > bit of time > > 2007 Qup Syrah Bien Nacido Vyd - seaweed and red berry fruit, well > structured -- now this is the real deal! �Sign me up, baby! > > 2006 Qup Syrah Alisos Vyd - spicy dark fruit, big and briery, tannic -- > much bigger wine, but again structured for the long haul; I'm sure that > this will turn out well with some serious aging > > 2006 Qup Syrah Nielson Vyd - soy sauce and red fruit, much less tannic > than the Alisos -- probably the least impressive of the three monocepage > Syrahs. > > The Verdad wines are made by Bob Lindquist's wife. �They also taste > Ethan wines there, which are made by his son, though none were available > on the day of my visit. �The wine was being poured by Bob Lindquist's > son-in-law while his daughter was working in a back office. �After the > conversation got interesting, she wandered into the tasting area and, > after a while, related the following story: she gets a phone call from > Tom Hill ("an old friend of dad's") who tells her that he's just read > Parker's reviews of the latest Qup wines ("taking Bob to the woodshed") > and has to find out what's up for himself, so he orders one bottle of > everything that they're selling, then calls back the next week to order > three cases more. �As she's telling this story, I just laugh and laugh > and mention that I've heard something of the outcome. �Overall, this was > my favorite visit of the day, both for the wines and for the people. > > My last stop before returning to Ventura was at Beckmen. �For the first > and only time during my visit, I actually entered a busy tasting room. > I finally managed to signal for the attention of the one server and > selected the tasting of their "Purisma Mountain" wines. �While it was > hard to have much of a conversation with the guy pouring the wines, I > did manage to extract a bit of information. �All their vineyards are > Demeter-certified biodynamic and, judging from the attitude of the > pourer, they are quite proud of that fact and, in turn, dismissive of > other wineries that are only employing organic viticulture. �I didn't > get the chance to probe his opinions on some of the loopier aspects of > Steinerite doctrine. > > 2007 Purisma Mountain Marsanne - white stone fruit, crisp and not too > heavy -- a decent example of Marsanne, but not my favorite grape > > 2007 P.M. Grenache - lactic, with some alcohol showing, candied cherry > fruit and licorice -- far from my favorite rendition of Grenache > > 2007 P.M. Syrah - smoky, somewhat meaty, dark fruit and fairly well > structured -- quite evolved but a fairly appealing if not overly complex > Syrah > > 2007 P.M. Syrah 'Clone#1' - slightly piney, bright red berry fruit, well > structured -- my favorite wine of this tasting > > 2007 P.M. Syrah 'Clone#6' - very rich mouthfeel, red berry fruit and > chocolate -- nope, not my kind of Syrah > > It would have been interesting to get the pourer's views on the clonal > distinction between the various Syrahs and whether there were > differences in the soil, exposure, etc., but alas time didn't permit > that level of detail. �One thing I'll note in passing is that vineyard > maps were available at virtually every winery I visited, so that one > could see the various parcels and what was planted where. �Moreover, I > found the service staff very knowledgeable about their wineries and the > vineyard practices employed, which was a very pleasant surprise. �On the > negative side, Beckmen was the only stop where the tasting fee wasn't > applied to a purchase. > > Your roving reporter, > Mark Lipton > > -- > alt.food.wine FAQ: �http://winefaq.cwdjr.net Thanks for all the hard work. What's the deal on Qup versus Qupe? |
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On Mar 17, 9:57*am, "Bi!!" > wrote:
> On Mar 16, 12:11 am, Mark Lipton > wrote: > > > > > > > What follows is the account of what else I did during a recent 5 day > > stint in Ventura, CA for a scientific meeting. > > > Day 1 - Los Olivos > > With a free afternoon to burn, I motored up from Ventura to Los Olivos > > by the most direct route, CA Hwy 154, thereby traversing the westward > > arm of Los Padres Nat'l Forest via San Marcos pass, then down to Lake > > Cachuma and on through the Chumash Indian reservation and into the Santa > > Ynez Valley. My first stop on this day was at Stolpman in "downtown" > > Los Olivos. Entering via a footpath leading through the front door of > > the house, I find myself in their cramped "tasting room." Finding > > myself one-on-one with the woman pouring the wine (a leitmotif of this > > trip) I proceeded to taste through the lineup of wines: > > > 2008 Sauvignon Blanc (20% barrel aged, 80% Inox) - citrus and herbs, > > rounded mouthfeel with good acidity, much like a restrained example of > > Marlborough SB > > > 2005 'La Coppa' Syrah - an initial lactic and piney impression gives way > > to red berry fruit in a restrained and structured package -- very nice > > > 2006 Sangiovese (100% new French oak) - dark cherry fruit with alcohol > > sticking out, a bit tannic and quite anonymous (like every CA Sangio > > I've yet had) > > > 2007 Estate Syrah - a nose of pine sap and alcoholic heat, acidic and > > tight, dark berry fruit -- not as appealing as the La Coppa, but > > possibly more ageworthy > > > 2006 Hilltops Syrah - more of that lactic and piney character with more > > alcohol sticking out, soft tannins, red berry fruit with some citric, > > herbal and pepper notes -- this was the t te de cuv e bottling, but too > > pricey for what it offered > > > 2007 'La Croce' (Sangio/Syrah/? blend) - mix pine sap, blueberry and > > red cherry fruit, add some tannins and acid and you've got this very > > anonymous blend > > > The people were friendly and informative and the wines well made, but > > only a few truly appealed to me. Although the wines weren't overtly > > oaky, the use of 100-200% (seriously!) new French oak in all but their > > 'La Coppa' Syrah to me obscured much of their character. A $10 tasting > > fee was credited to a purchase of wine (and you get a complimentary > > glass, something I need like a hole in the head). > > > I then walked two blocks to the recently opened Qup tasting room, where > > again I was the only visitor, altthough toward the end of my visit > > another winemaker walked in to invite the staff to a winery opening. > > > 2008 Verdad Ros (Tempranillo/Garnacha) - some minerality and citrus, > > light, fairly crisp and lightly fruity -- OK, but no more > > > 2008 Verdad Albari o - salty, herbal and slightly floral, light and > > herbaceous -- no resemblance I can see to any Albari o I've ever had > > before. Interesting more from a novelty perspective than out of real > > appeal. > > > 2006 Qup Roussanne - buttery, licorice, fairly full body with balanced > > acidity -- a pretty good example of a CA Roussanne, which is a > > backhanded compliment if ever there was. > > > 2007 Verdad Tempranillo (20% Grenache, 4% Syrah) - smelling lightly of > > smelly socks and stones, tasting of dusty cherry fruit in a structured > > package -- not bad, but not exciting either > > > 2007 Qup Los Olivos Cuv e (68% Syrah/26% Mourvedre/16% Grenache) - > > bright red fruit, slightly alcoholic and tart -- pretty good but needs a > > bit of time > > > 2007 Qup Syrah Bien Nacido Vyd - seaweed and red berry fruit, well > > structured -- now this is the real deal! Sign me up, baby! > > > 2006 Qup Syrah Alisos Vyd - spicy dark fruit, big and briery, tannic -- > > much bigger wine, but again structured for the long haul; I'm sure that > > this will turn out well with some serious aging > > > 2006 Qup Syrah Nielson Vyd - soy sauce and red fruit, much less tannic > > than the Alisos -- probably the least impressive of the three monocepage > > Syrahs. > > > The Verdad wines are made by Bob Lindquist's wife. They also taste > > Ethan wines there, which are made by his son, though none were available > > on the day of my visit. The wine was being poured by Bob Lindquist's > > son-in-law while his daughter was working in a back office. After the > > conversation got interesting, she wandered into the tasting area and, > > after a while, related the following story: she gets a phone call from > > Tom Hill ("an old friend of dad's") who tells her that he's just read > > Parker's reviews of the latest Qup wines ("taking Bob to the woodshed") > > and has to find out what's up for himself, so he orders one bottle of > > everything that they're selling, then calls back the next week to order > > three cases more. As she's telling this story, I just laugh and laugh > > and mention that I've heard something of the outcome. Overall, this was > > my favorite visit of the day, both for the wines and for the people. > > > My last stop before returning to Ventura was at Beckmen. For the first > > and only time during my visit, I actually entered a busy tasting room. > > I finally managed to signal for the attention of the one server and > > selected the tasting of their "Purisma Mountain" wines. While it was > > hard to have much of a conversation with the guy pouring the wines, I > > did manage to extract a bit of information. All their vineyards are > > Demeter-certified biodynamic and, judging from the attitude of the > > pourer, they are quite proud of that fact and, in turn, dismissive of > > other wineries that are only employing organic viticulture. I didn't > > get the chance to probe his opinions on some of the loopier aspects of > > Steinerite doctrine. > > > 2007 Purisma Mountain Marsanne - white stone fruit, crisp and not too > > heavy -- a decent example of Marsanne, but not my favorite grape > > > 2007 P.M. Grenache - lactic, with some alcohol showing, candied cherry > > fruit and licorice -- far from my favorite rendition of Grenache > > > 2007 P.M. Syrah - smoky, somewhat meaty, dark fruit and fairly well > > structured -- quite evolved but a fairly appealing if not overly complex > > Syrah > > > 2007 P.M. Syrah 'Clone#1' - slightly piney, bright red berry fruit, well > > structured -- my favorite wine of this tasting > > > 2007 P.M. Syrah 'Clone#6' - very rich mouthfeel, red berry fruit and > > chocolate -- nope, not my kind of Syrah > > > It would have been interesting to get the pourer's views on the clonal > > distinction between the various Syrahs and whether there were > > differences in the soil, exposure, etc., but alas time didn't permit > > that level of detail. One thing I'll note in passing is that vineyard > > maps were available at virtually every winery I visited, so that one > > could see the various parcels and what was planted where. Moreover, I > > found the service staff very knowledgeable about their wineries and the > > vineyard practices employed, which was a very pleasant surprise. On the > > negative side, Beckmen was the only stop where the tasting fee wasn't > > applied to a purchase. > > > Your roving reporter, > > Mark Lipton > > > -- > > alt.food.wine FAQ:http://winefaq.cwdjr.net > > Thanks for all the hard work. *What's the deal on Qup versus Qupe? Bill, it's your display. It's not showing the e with the accent. Mine also shows Qup, but if I look at it in preview or from another reader it shows Qupé ( e with acute if that doesn't show). Why I gave up on accents, depends on newsreader and individual computer setups. I also don't compensate by using oe for ö because it's harder to search. |
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On 3/17/10 10:22 AM, DaleW wrote:
> Bill, > it's your display. It's not showing the e with the accent. Mine also > shows Qup, but if I look at it in preview or from another reader it > shows Qupé ( e with acute if that doesn't show). > Why I gave up on accents, depends on newsreader and individual > computer setups. I also don't compensate by using oe for ö because > it's harder to search. Sorry about that, guys. Apparently, Google Groups doesn't use the information about character encoding in the header records to decide how to display posts. After years of drinking and posting about European wines, it's become close to second nature to use the various diacritical marks (and it's so easy on a Mac, why not?) but perhaps I should rethink that decision as Dale has done to avoid problems with Google Groupies. Bill: another solution that involves a bit more effort on your part is to download dedicated newsreader software such as Xnews or Forté Free Agent and use that in conjunction with a free news service such as AIOE.org (my choice), Eternal-September.org or albasani.net to read this and other text-only newsgroups. The upside is better threading, keeping track of read (and unread) posts and better spam control. Just a thought. Mark -- alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.cwdjr.net |
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On Mar 17, 12:31�pm, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> On 3/17/10 10:22 AM, DaleW wrote: > > > Bill, > > it's your display. It's not showing the e with the accent. �Mine also > > shows Qup, but if I look at it in preview or from another reader it > > shows Qup ( e with acute if that doesn't show). > > Why I gave up on accents, depends on newsreader and individual > > computer setups. I also don't compensate by using oe for because > > it's harder to search. > > Sorry about that, guys. �Apparently, Google Groups doesn't use the > information about character encoding in the header records to decide how > to display posts. �After years of drinking and posting about European > wines, it's become close to second nature to use the various diacritical > marks (and it's so easy on a Mac, why not?) but perhaps I should rethink > that decision as Dale has done to avoid problems with Google Groupies. > > Bill: another solution that involves a bit more effort on your part is > to download dedicated newsreader software such as Xnews or Fort Free > Agent and use that in conjunction with a free news service such as > AIOE.org (my choice), Eternal-September.org or albasani.net to read this > and other text-only newsgroups. �The upside is better threading, keeping > track of read (and unread) posts and better spam control. �Just a thought. > > Mark > -- > alt.food.wine FAQ: �http://winefaq.cwdjr.net Thanks for the info. had I not read your post while under the influence of the major portion of a bottle of 2008 Pieropan Soave I would have figured it out. |
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On Mar 17, 11:31*am, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> On 3/17/10 10:22 AM, DaleW wrote: > > > Bill, > > it's your display. It's not showing the e with the accent. *Mine also > > shows Qup, but if I look at it in preview or from another reader it > > shows Qup ( e with acute if that doesn't show). > > Why I gave up on accents, depends on newsreader and individual > > computer setups. I also don't compensate by using oe for because > > it's harder to search. > > Sorry about that, guys. *Apparently, Google Groups doesn't use the > information about character encoding in the header records to decide how > to display posts. *After years of drinking and posting about European > wines, it's become close to second nature to use the various diacritical > marks (and it's so easy on a Mac, why not?) but perhaps I should rethink > that decision as Dale has done to avoid problems with Google Groupies. > > Bill: another solution that involves a bit more effort on your part is > to download dedicated newsreader software such as Xnews or Fort Free > Agent and use that in conjunction with a free news service such as > AIOE.org (my choice), Eternal-September.org or albasani.net to read this > and other text-only newsgroups. *The upside is better threading, keeping > track of read (and unread) posts and better spam control. *Just a thought. I checked header informaion for your post, and Google claims it is using charset-ISO-8859-1. This is an older charset that still is used some in the US and western Europe. However Unicode allows much better coverage of many languages. My browser(Firefox) is set for Unicode UTF8. From view>character encoding, I reset for iso-8859, but this made no difference. If you make a post through Google Groups, using a browser set for modern Unicode, I am not sure how Google handles it, but at some point it gets converted to iso-8859 and the conversion seems to have a few bugs. I am not certain about the details for email and posts. However if you follow w3c standards on web pages, every page must have a DOCTYPE at the very top giving the version of html or xhtml used and the character encoding used. When this is done and the page has problems, you can view the source code of the page to find the type of charset used and reset your browser to read using that charset. Of course Google is not know for sticking to w3c standards in general. Validate some of there pages at the w3c html validator, and you may find many validation errors. Many are harmless, but others may cause minor problems on some browsers. |
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