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Tonight's dinner was rack of lamb and a potato-green bean salad. Jean
expressed an interest in having a glass of really good wine with dinner, so I suggested a bottle that she'd received from me for her birthday last year: 1961 Ch. Beychevelle (St. Julien) nose: cassis, graphite, cedar, a slight herbaceous note, some earth palate: fully resolved tannins, medium body, rich mouthfeel, great acidity This was the second bottle of a cache I gave to Jean last year and it was even better than the previous one had been. Incredibly youthful (even down to the cork which was in superb shape), it had a classic Cabernet nose and an incredible feel of richness in the mouth. It was acidic enough that it needed the food to show well, but at 11.5% ABV it showed no heaviness or heat. This led to an interesting discussion concerning the ABV: since '61 was noted as a warm year that produced very ripe grapes in Bordeaux, how did they keep the alcohol so low? Canopy management? Earlier harvest? Mark Lipton |
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Mark Lipton > wrote in
: > It was > acidic enough that it needed the food to show well, but at 11.5% ABV > it showed no heaviness or heat. This led to an interesting discussion > concerning the ABV: since '61 was noted as a warm year that produced > very ripe grapes in Bordeaux, how did they keep the alcohol so low? > Canopy management? Earlier harvest? I am not an expert, but canopy management sounds quite a recent practice to me to be the cause. My guess is that they harvested way earlier in 1961 that they do today. Anyone has access to a historical series of harvest dates going back to that era? s. |
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On Sep 9, 9:28*pm, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> Tonight's dinner was rack of lamb and a potato-green bean salad. *Jean > expressed an interest in having a glass of really good wine with dinner, > so I suggested a bottle that she'd received from me for her birthday > last year: > > 1961 Ch. Beychevelle (St. Julien) > nose: cassis, graphite, cedar, a slight herbaceous note, some earth > palate: fully resolved tannins, medium body, rich mouthfeel, great acidity > > This was the second bottle of a cache I gave to Jean last year and it > was even better than the previous one had been. *Incredibly youthful > (even down to the cork which was in superb shape), it had a classic > Cabernet nose and an incredible feel of richness in the mouth. *It was > acidic enough that it needed the food to show well, but at 11.5% ABV it > showed no heaviness or heat. *This led to an interesting discussion > concerning the ABV: since '61 was noted as a warm year that produced > very ripe grapes in Bordeaux, how did they keep the alcohol so low? > Canopy management? *Earlier harvest? From what I have read, there was a greatly decreased yield of grapes because heavy rains washed away the pollen. (In 1945 the yield was greatly reduced by frost. )There was much rain in July and then drought in August. Then September was very sunny. The grapes were small and had thick skins. The wines had very deep color and much tannin. As a result, many considered the 1959s, which had a better balance early on, to be better than the 1961s. For whatever reason, I remember that many fine red Bordeauxs from the 50s and 60s tended to have less alcohol and needed at least 10 to 20 years of age. Some were quite concentrated in color, body, and taste however. Things started changing in the Parker era when wine became more drinkable at an earlier age. Perhaps the grapes were picked later with higher sugar content. Also the amount of press wine added in the final blend likely was reduced. |
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Mark Lipton > wrote in
: This led to an interesting discussion > concerning the ABV: since '61 was noted as a warm year that produced > very ripe grapes in Bordeaux, how did they keep the alcohol so low? > Canopy management? Earlier harvest? Besides of an earlier harvest, could it be that they had bigger crops per hectare therefore harvesting a bit less concentrated grapes with less sugar? s. |
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On Sunday, September 9, 2012 10:28:41 PM UTC-4, Mark Lipton wrote:
> Tonight's dinner was rack of lamb and a potato-green bean salad. Jean > > expressed an interest in having a glass of really good wine with dinner, > > so I suggested a bottle that she'd received from me for her birthday > > last year: > > > > 1961 Ch. Beychevelle (St. Julien) > > nose: cassis, graphite, cedar, a slight herbaceous note, some earth > > palate: fully resolved tannins, medium body, rich mouthfeel, great acidity > > > > This was the second bottle of a cache I gave to Jean last year and it > > was even better than the previous one had been. Incredibly youthful > > (even down to the cork which was in superb shape), it had a classic > > Cabernet nose and an incredible feel of richness in the mouth. It was > > acidic enough that it needed the food to show well, but at 11.5% ABV it > > showed no heaviness or heat. This led to an interesting discussion > > concerning the ABV: since '61 was noted as a warm year that produced > > very ripe grapes in Bordeaux, how did they keep the alcohol so low? > > Canopy management? Earlier harvest? > > > > Mark Lipton Glad to hear these are doing well! ![]() |
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