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Met Betsy in the city Saturday for dinner (her birthday). We went to Eleven
Madison Park. Had a very nice dinner, rather than choose an all-purpose bottle we ordered wine by the glass for each course. Betsy started with delicious seared foie gras. She had a small glass of the 2002 Huet "Le Haut-Lieu" Demi-Sec Vouvray. Bracing acidity countering the mild sweetness, strong citrus fruit balanced by assertive minerality. Notes of honey, ripe cheese, and lanolin zipped in and out of the mix. Needs time, but awful nice right now. As Betsy is sometimes not as enamored of Chenin as I tend to be, I was a little worried, but she loved it. Bright and lively, A- My first course was sweetbreads, with haricots verts, frissee, and verjus grapes. As good a sweetbreads dish as I've ever had. The wine was a glass of the 2000 Colin "Les Chaumées" Chassagne-Montrachet. Deep rich sweet pear fruit, a hint of honey and butterscotch, good acidity. Nice clean young white Burgundy. B+/A- (note: I wrote this down as it was on list. Now I THINK this was Marc Colin, but it could be Colin-Deleger - I was looking more at Betsy than the bottle as it was poured) Betsy got the braised short ribs, with a glass of the 1998 Clos de La Cure (St. Emilion). Not a producer I know. Sharp black plum fruit, some oak, still somewhat tannic, maybe would have gone better with a rare steak. Hard to say if this is just closed (this is an awkward time for '98 Right Banks), but usually with a closed wine I get a sense of something lurking underneath. A somewhat one-dimensional Merlot. B-/C+ I had tasty venison, with black trumpet mushrooms and spaghetti squash. A glass of the 2001 Lucien Barrot Chteauneuf-du-Pape to accompany. Actually, of the wines I ordered this was one I had least expectations from, after some boring/frumpy Barrots before. But this was a beautiful CdP. Dark fruit entertwined with coffee and leather, gentle notes of spice. Good finish. A-/B+ I held onto both reds as we entered the dessert/cheese stage. Betsy had a dessert that she raved over ( I believe it was a couple with creme fraiche ice cream). I ordered her the 1984 Ch. Raymond-Lafon (Sauternes). Pretty nice sticky from an (I think) unheralded vintage. Sweet tropical fruit with light botrytis and lots of nervosity. Not for the acid-averse. B/B+ I had 3 cheeses - Pleasant Ridge (from Michigan I think - clean & nutty), Tomme de Crayeuse (like a slightly funkier Tomme de Savoie), and Cypress Grove Midnight Madness (very very good aged goat). In addition to the reds, I had the 1996 Huet "Clos du Bourg 1er Trie" Moëlleux Vouvray (amazingly, the list included the '89 Cuvée Constance, but as it was Betsy's birthday, not mine, I went with the considerably less expensive wine).The '96 Moëlleux was young yet complex- orange peel, apricot, ripe fig and herbal tea notes. Like the demi-sec, a mineral note than cannot (and should not) be ignored. Good balancing acidity, frankly yummy. A/A- Overall, a nice dinner with the woman I love. Very good food, good service. Nice by the bottle list, but I think next time I'll again go with the by the glass option. Each bottle was brought to the table before pouring, and one had a choice of 3 or 6 oz pours. Prices were quite fair, with a good range of price options, too. Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency. Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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Oops, I posted before I checked with Betsy what her dessert was. It was a apple
crêpe "soufflé" with crème fraîche ice cream. Obviously not a real soufflé, but a puffy crêpe filled with a apple-cream filling, with cooked apples on the side, and the ice cream (Betsy really raved over the ice cream, with thelight sourness of the cf contrasting with the expected sweetness)/ Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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Dale Williams wrote:
> Met Betsy in the city Saturday for dinner (her birthday). We went to Eleven > Madison Park. Had a very nice dinner, rather than choose an all-purpose bottle > we ordered wine by the glass for each course. > > Betsy started with delicious seared foie gras. She had a small glass of the > 2002 Huet "Le Haut-Lieu" Demi-Sec Vouvray. Bracing acidity countering the mild > sweetness, strong citrus fruit balanced by assertive minerality. Notes of > honey, ripe cheese, and lanolin zipped in and out of the mix. Needs time, but > awful nice right now. As Betsy is sometimes not as enamored of Chenin as I tend > to be, I was a little worried, but she loved it. Bright and lively, A- Nice notes, as usual, Dale. That sounds like quite a meal you two had (and happy B-day to Betsy). I notice that in today's CSW catalogue that they've got the 2002 Huet "Le Mont" sec. Any experience with it, in this or any other vintage? Mark Lipton |
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> I notice that in today's CSW catalogue that
>they've got the 2002 Huet "Le Mont" sec. Any experience with it, in >this or any other vintage? > Huet makes wine from 3 vineyards - Le Mont, Le Haut Lieu, and Clos du Bourg. Some of my Loire-natic friends can rhapsodize at length over the differences, but I just know I like them all. In a good vintage like '02 they'll probably make a sec, demi-sec, and moëlleux (and maybe the moëlleux 1er trie) from each one. I think they're mostly equivalent (within their classes), though some place Clos du Bourg a notch above others. I've liked Le Mont sec in the past, but not tried the '02 (I did buy a couple of the '02 Le Mont demi-sec). Excellent wines, but I guess if push comes to shove my tastes in dry chenin is more for Savennières than Vouvray. Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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>In a good vintage like '02 they'll probably
>make a sec, demi-sec, and moëlleux (and maybe the moëlleux 1er trie) from >each >one. What is the difference between moëlleux and moëlleux 1er trie? The Clos du Bourg 2002 that I have thus far is the latter and do not know of the distinction between the two. |
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>hat is the difference between moëlleux and moëlleux 1er trie? The Clos du
>Bourg 2002 that I have thus far is the latter and do not know of the >distinction between the two. Jason, The 1er Trie is the top wine, produced on the first pass through the vineyard (these are handpicked vineyards). Pick of the botrytized grapes. Usually commands a modest premium. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's my impression. Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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>The 1er Trie is the top wine,
Um, I should have qualified that. The 1er Trie is the top wine of the single vineyard selections. I think the most pricey Huet is the Cuvee Constance, with is selected grapes from all 3 vineyards. Very limited production (like 100 cases). Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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Ahh, that makes sense. I was able to decipher from that label that it was the
"first try" so to speak through the vineyard, but didn't know if it was of anything different from a molleaux wine. I have only seen the 1er Trie here in NYC at Chambers St. and just assumed that it was to the only Molleaux from Clos du Bourg. I haven't seen any other but will wait and see. The Cuvee Constance sounds delightful, but I would enjoy several bottles of the Huet Sec or Demi-Sec, or some Closel Savienerres at a fraction of the cost. Thanks for the info. Jason |
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