Which Burgundy?
 

Hi All
I am organising a tasting in a few weeks titled "A world of Pinot Noir"
I have assembled 2 Oz Pinots, 1 from the Yarra Valley & 1 from the
Mornington Peninsula, a Kiwi Pinot & 1 from Oregon. I am very happy
with all these wines but as the glaring hole in my wine knowledge is
Europe, I am struggling to choose a good Burgundy. I am really after
something typical of the region, that a Francophile would identify as
Burgundian on first sniff, something that will help demonstrate to the
tasters the differences between New & Old World Pinots (the tasting is
paid for and largely for educational purposes, mostly intermediates
with a couple of know it alls thrown in). I've had a couple of wines
recommended to me from a merchant (who has been reasonably helpful in
the past and is helping to organise a guest speaker)and I'd like to
know if anybody has tasted either these particular wines or other
vintages. Also any recommendations for wines that you think might be
available here in Oz would also be great. My budget for the event is
around $80 - $90 Oz.

The recommended wines are -
Clavelier Vosne Roman=E9e "Hautes Maizi=E8res" 2002. $79.90
Clavelier Vosne Roman=E9e "La Combe Br=FBl=E9e" 2002. $86.90
Jean Grivot Vosne Roman=E9e "Les Bossi=E8res" 2001. $86.90
Jean Grivot Nuits St. Georges "Les Lavi=E8res" 2001. $71.90

The other wines I am using are -
2003 Coldstream Hills Pinot Noir - Yarra Valley $20
2001 Winbirra Vineyards Pinot Noir - Mornington Peninsula $25
2001 Argyle Reserve Pinot Noir - Willamette Valley, Oregon USA $50
2002 Ata Rangi Pinot Noir - Martinborough, New Zealand $70
I will post notes after the tasting. Thanks in advance
Cheers Andrew

The Jean Grivot Nuits St. Georges "Les Lavi=E8res" 2001 or his Les
Bossi=E8res should work very nicely.

Salut/Hi ,

le/on 1 Feb 2005 19:41:03 -0800, tu disais/you said:-

>The Jean Grivot Nuits St. Georges "Les Lavières" 2001 or his Les
>Bossières should work very nicely.

You took the words out of my mouth.

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Here's one of my favourite mid-price offerings:

http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/41284&source=wsearcher

I am not an habitual PN drinker, but this is one of the nicest non-Kiwis
I've tried. I have no idea about availability in Oz, though.

Regards,

Ian

"Andrew Goldfinch" > wrote in message
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Hi All
I am organising a tasting in a few weeks titled "A world of Pinot Noir"
I have assembled 2 Oz Pinots, 1 from the Yarra Valley & 1 from the
Mornington Peninsula, a Kiwi Pinot & 1 from Oregon. I am very happy
with all these wines but as the glaring hole in my wine knowledge is
Europe, I am struggling to choose a good Burgundy. I am really after
something typical of the region, that a Francophile would identify as
Burgundian on first sniff, something that will help demonstrate to the
tasters the differences between New & Old World Pinots (the tasting is
paid for and largely for educational purposes, mostly intermediates
with a couple of know it alls thrown in). I've had a couple of wines
recommended to me from a merchant (who has been reasonably helpful in
the past and is helping to organise a guest speaker)and I'd like to
know if anybody has tasted either these particular wines or other
vintages. Also any recommendations for wines that you think might be
available here in Oz would also be great. My budget for the event is
around $80 - $90 Oz.

The recommended wines are -
Clavelier Vosne Romanée "Hautes Maizières" 2002. $79.90
Clavelier Vosne Romanée "La Combe Brûlée" 2002. $86.90
Jean Grivot Vosne Romanée "Les Bossières" 2001. $86.90
Jean Grivot Nuits St. Georges "Les Lavières" 2001. $71.90

The other wines I am using are -
2003 Coldstream Hills Pinot Noir - Yarra Valley $20
2001 Winbirra Vineyards Pinot Noir - Mornington Peninsula $25
2001 Argyle Reserve Pinot Noir - Willamette Valley, Oregon USA $50
2002 Ata Rangi Pinot Noir - Martinborough, New Zealand $70
I will post notes after the tasting. Thanks in advance
Cheers Andrew

"Ian Hayward" > skrev i melding
...
> Here's one of my favourite mid-price offerings:
>
> http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/41284&source=wsearcher
>
You say mid-priced, at 217UKP a bottle?, 400USD?
Anders

That's a case of 12. I suppose everyone has their own idea of what
constitutes "mid-priced", but with the onerous tax burden here in UK I would
reckon £15 to £30/bottle to be a reasonable mid-range for Burgundy.


"Anders Tørneskog" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ian Hayward" > skrev i melding
> ...
> > Here's one of my favourite mid-price offerings:
> >
> > http://www.everywine.co.uk/invt/41284&source=wsearcher
> >
> You say mid-priced, at 217UKP a bottle?, 400USD?
> Anders
>
>

Jean Grivot and Bruno Clavelier are both quality producers. I haven't
tasted any of these 4 bottlings. Personally, I'd go for one of the
Claveliers. My reasoning would be that 2002s all seem to be quite open
at moment, and some (though not all) 2001s have really shut down. Plus,
I personally feel that Vosne drinks better young than NSG. Just my
opinion.

"Ian Hayward" > skrev i melding
...
> That's a case of 12. I suppose everyone has their own idea of what
> constitutes "mid-priced", but with the onerous tax burden here in UK I
> would
> reckon £15 to £30/bottle to be a reasonable mid-range for Burgundy.
>
>
It didn't actually say the price was for quantities of 12.. You could buy
1, 2 or more - which of course was cases.
With the even more onerous tax burdens in Scandinavia, I think mid range
should be defined as 25-50£... :-( Reasonable? Hardly.
Anders

Hi Andrew,

>Jean Grivot Nuits St. Georges "Les Lavières" 2001. $71.90

I also would vote for the one above.

However, if you have access to any producers from the Bonnes Mares
region, IMHO that would provide a bit closer "match" for comparison.

While I've not had any of the wines you've listed below except for the
Argyle. I feel that often the new world pinots have a bit more
ooomphf than their burgundy counter parts. That's why I mentioned the
Bonnes Mares region where the pinots tend to be a bit fatter

Either way .. would really be interested in what your notes are after
the tasting

Art
>
>The other wines I am using are -
>2003 Coldstream Hills Pinot Noir - Yarra Valley $20
>2001 Winbirra Vineyards Pinot Noir - Mornington Peninsula $25
>2001 Argyle Reserve Pinot Noir - Willamette Valley, Oregon USA $50
>2002 Ata Rangi Pinot Noir - Martinborough, New Zealand $70
>I will post notes after the tasting. Thanks in advance
>Cheers Andrew

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In article >,
says...
>
>
>"Ian Hayward" > skrev i melding
...
>> That's a case of 12. I suppose everyone has their own idea of what
>> constitutes "mid-priced", but with the onerous tax burden here in UK I
>> would
>> reckon £15 to £30/bottle to be a reasonable mid-range for Burgundy.
>>
>>
>It didn't actually say the price was for quantities of 12.. You could buy
>1, 2 or more - which of course was cases.
>With the even more onerous tax burdens in Scandinavia, I think mid range
>should be defined as 25-50£... :-( Reasonable? Hardly.
>Anders

I, also, did not pick up on the "case" quantity price and was thinking that we
were now on to DRC's as "mid-priced." In the US good, to near great, Burgs can
be had in the US$50-75 range, and one can also score domestic (to the US) PNs
with good pedigree for that same price. I hate to think about it, but in
Europe, most of our PNs are probably up towards the better Burgs, if available
at all. Even AZ/US does get many of the domestic ones and the pricing is not
too much to handle. While we have other burdens, i.e. inter-state shipping
laws, etc. we do get a very good sampling of wines, especially PNs.

Hunt

Thanks all, I have decided to go with the Jean Grivot "Les Lavi=E8res" .
I will post the notes after the tasting on 14 Feb. Cheers Andrew

Why? Why don't you cook FOOD and DRINK them?

Tasting? Don't waste your time....

The glaring hole is Europe itself.
"Andrew Goldfinch" > wrote in message
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Hi All
I am organising a tasting in a few weeks titled "A world of Pinot Noir"
I have assembled 2 Oz Pinots, 1 from the Yarra Valley & 1 from the
Mornington Peninsula, a Kiwi Pinot & 1 from Oregon. I am very happy
with all these wines but as the glaring hole in my wine knowledge is
Europe, I am struggling to choose a good Burgundy. I am really after
something typical of the region, that a Francophile would identify as
Burgundian on first sniff, something that will help demonstrate to the
tasters the differences between New & Old World Pinots (the tasting is
paid for and largely for educational purposes, mostly intermediates
with a couple of know it alls thrown in). I've had a couple of wines
recommended to me from a merchant (who has been reasonably helpful in
the past and is helping to organise a guest speaker)and I'd like to
know if anybody has tasted either these particular wines or other
vintages. Also any recommendations for wines that you think might be
available here in Oz would also be great. My budget for the event is
around $80 - $90 Oz.

The recommended wines are -
Clavelier Vosne Romanée "Hautes Maizières" 2002. $79.90
Clavelier Vosne Romanée "La Combe Brûlée" 2002. $86.90
Jean Grivot Vosne Romanée "Les Bossières" 2001. $86.90
Jean Grivot Nuits St. Georges "Les Lavières" 2001. $71.90

The other wines I am using are -
2003 Coldstream Hills Pinot Noir - Yarra Valley $20
2001 Winbirra Vineyards Pinot Noir - Mornington Peninsula $25
2001 Argyle Reserve Pinot Noir - Willamette Valley, Oregon USA $50
2002 Ata Rangi Pinot Noir - Martinborough, New Zealand $70
I will post notes after the tasting. Thanks in advance
Cheers Andrew

The glaring hole is Europe itself.
"Andrew Goldfinch" > wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi All
I am organising a tasting in a few weeks titled "A world of Pinot Noir"
I have assembled 2 Oz Pinots, 1 from the Yarra Valley & 1 from the
Mornington Peninsula, a Kiwi Pinot & 1 from Oregon. I am very happy
with all these wines but as the glaring hole in my wine knowledge is
Europe, I am struggling to choose a good Burgundy. I am really after
something typical of the region, that a Francophile would identify as
Burgundian on first sniff, something that will help demonstrate to the
tasters the differences between New & Old World Pinots (the tasting is
paid for and largely for educational purposes, mostly intermediates
with a couple of know it alls thrown in). I've had a couple of wines
recommended to me from a merchant (who has been reasonably helpful in
the past and is helping to organise a guest speaker)and I'd like to
know if anybody has tasted either these particular wines or other
vintages. Also any recommendations for wines that you think might be
available here in Oz would also be great. My budget for the event is
around $80 - $90 Oz.

The recommended wines are -
Clavelier Vosne Romanée "Hautes Maizières" 2002. $79.90
Clavelier Vosne Romanée "La Combe Brûlée" 2002. $86.90
Jean Grivot Vosne Romanée "Les Bossières" 2001. $86.90
Jean Grivot Nuits St. Georges "Les Lavières" 2001. $71.90

The other wines I am using are -
2003 Coldstream Hills Pinot Noir - Yarra Valley $20
2001 Winbirra Vineyards Pinot Noir - Mornington Peninsula $25
2001 Argyle Reserve Pinot Noir - Willamette Valley, Oregon USA $50
2002 Ata Rangi Pinot Noir - Martinborough, New Zealand $70
I will post notes after the tasting. Thanks in advance
Cheers Andrew