Hello;
One of our youngsters was born 1975, so turns a ripe and mellow 30 this
summer. I have started to find wines from that year - port is a natural as
it was declared vintage by many of the good producers, and our own hawker
stocks some in their treasure chest. However, apart from first growth Haut
Medocs and Petrus, which wines are still alive and drinkable today? I would
hazard some Bourg reds, perhaps some Mosel Rieslings, but I´m uncertain.
Hints are eagerly accepted.

Cheers

Nils Gustaf

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I still have several 1975 Rieslings from Germany. If properly stored,
most of auslesen and higher from the better estates, especially in the
Mosel/Saar still are drinking very well and many will last. At the
auslese level, I have tasted the following good ones within the past few
years:

Bernkasteler Doctor,Thansh; Brauneberger Juffer,Thanish; Graacher
Himmelreich, J.J. Prum; Wehlener Sonnenuhr( regular and long gold
capsule),J.J. Prum; Maximin Grunhauser Herrenberg

I am sure there must be many more.

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Funny that you mention it - I asked the same question not too long ago.
I ended up buying a 1975 Gruaud-Larose on the recommendation of others
in the group.

The relevant thread is he
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...3d072bb17d3f34.

Champagne!!!


Dimitri

(Cwdjrx _) wrote:

> ... Thansh ... Thanish ...

Thanisch.

Scnr, M.

"Nils Gustaf Lindgren" > wrote:

> One of our youngsters was born 1975, so turns a ripe and mellow
> 30 this summer. I have started to find wines from that year -
> port is a natural as it was declared vintage by many of the good
> producers, and our own hawker stocks some in their treasure
> chest. However, apart from first growth Haut Medocs and Petrus,
> which wines are still alive and drinkable today?

Léoville-L.C., Pichon-Lalande (the only vintage vinified by Michel
Delon of LLC, btw), Ducru, Latour.

> I would hazard some Bourg reds,

Hands off! Totally rotten vintage. Even DRCs undrinkable.

> perhaps some Mosel Rieslings,

Yes!

> but I´m uncertain. Hints are eagerly accepted.

You're welcome.

M.

75 claret, esp LLC
good auslese
my eldest is 30 this year as well, musy have been the hot summer of 75

JT

"John Taverner" > wrote:

> my eldest is 30 this year as well, musy have been the hot summer
> of 75

The hot summer was 1976. The summer of 1975 wasn't hot*), but also
on the dry side.

*) in Europe.

M.

Another vote for '75 Leoville Las Cases.
Had a bottle 2 weeks ago for my girlfriend's 30th - it was great, and
matched beautifully with a rack of lamb.

The advise from the previous thread on this group was most helpful
with this choice. It was also surprising how reasonable the price was
relative to current vintages.

dale m.

Hi Everyone,

I don't think I've posted in this group before, but enjoying reading it
quite a bit. I was surprised to read the post below that a 30 year old
Riesling could not only be good, but in this case great. I thought white
wines were usually consumed young - is that true most of the time?

Thanks for educating me =)

Joe Costlow

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"Cwdjrx _" > wrote in message
...
> I still have several 1975 Rieslings from Germany. If properly stored,
> most of auslesen and higher from the better estates, especially in the
> Mosel/Saar still are drinking very well and many will last. At the
> auslese level, I have tasted the following good ones within the past few
> years:
>
> Bernkasteler Doctor,Thansh; Brauneberger Juffer,Thanish; Graacher
> Himmelreich, J.J. Prum; Wehlener Sonnenuhr( regular and long gold
> capsule),J.J. Prum; Maximin Grunhauser Herrenberg
>
> I am sure there must be many more.
>
> My mailbox is always full to avoid spam. To contact me, erase
> from my email address. Then add . I do not
> check this box every day, so post if you need a quick response.
>

"Cygnus" > skrev i meddelandet
...
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I don't think I've posted in this group before, but enjoying reading it
> quite a bit. I was surprised to read the post below that a 30 year old
> Riesling could not only be good, but in this case great. I thought white
> wines were usually consumed young - is that true most of the time?
>
> Thanks for educating me =)


In fact, many whites will age beautifully, as good as reds - not only the
great ´Rieslings of Mosel, but also some of the good white Bourgognes.
Personally, I have enjoyed Rieslings from 1982 and 1989 that were a pure
delight - full of vitality and vibrancy (vibrancy? sorry about that). I have
also had the pleasure of tasting a Corton Charlemange from 1982 which went
extraordinarliy well with the warmed-up left-overs served in that
restaurant, in a very imposing castle on the countryside of Côte-de-Nuits.
It is amazing what some restaurants get away with, and at what prices. But
the wine was good.
However, this doesn´t many that any Chard will stay about for 20+ years, or
that you´ll be able to drink any RIesling that is allowed to vote. We had a
Riesling Gustav Lorentz, ALsace, 1983, at a tasting earlier this year, which
in my excellent opinion was way over the top. GUstav Lorentz is a good
producer, though on the expensive side, but the difference between this wine
and a similarly aged Riesling from Dr Losen was astounding.

HTH
Cheers
Nils Gustaf

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Salut/Hi Cygnus,

le/on Sun, 27 Feb 2005 01:11:48 -0500, tu disais/you said:-

>Hi Everyone,
>
>I don't think I've posted in this group before, but enjoying reading it
>quite a bit. I was surprised to read the post below that a 30 year old
>Riesling could not only be good, but in this case great. I thought white
>wines were usually consumed young - is that true most of the time?

Many more white wines can be drunk with some bottle age than you might
think. It's a common truism that red wines need age and white wines don't.
Like all truisms, there is a basis of fact.

OK. As a general rule, sweet wines not only live a long time, but many,
especially those whose sweetness comes from "Noble Rot" (aka botrytis),
improve dramatically. No, let's be more precise. They _change_ dramatically,
losing fresh fruitiness, and gaining depth and complexity. Young sweet
botrytised wines are so delicious that it is unfair only to say that they
_improve_.

Sweet white wines whose sweetness comes about because the grapes are dried
by letting them hang on the vine a long time, or because the wine maker has
stopped their fermentation by adding alcohol, are less imporoved by age, in
general. (In reds of that type, don't forget port).

Amongst European dry whites, some demand aging, notably the classic whites
made from Chardonnay in Burgundy, and the wines made from the Chenin Blanc
on the Loire and the great Rhine, Mosel, Saar and Ruwer wines. Lesser wines
can take more aging than you might think, but may not necessarily be
improved by it. I think it's true to say that Italian whites resist aging
less well as they lose the fresh attractiveness they have when young,
without gaining much complexity. But I'd suggest that even from Italy there
are VERY few wines which won't keep a couple of years.

>Thanks for educating me =)

Hope the above continues the process.

--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

> The hot summer was 1976. The summer of 1975 wasn't hot*), but also
> on the dry side.

yes 76 was the really hot one, but in the UK 75 was also wonderful

"Michael Pronay" > skrev i meddelandet
...
> "Nils Gustaf Lindgren" > wrote:
>
>> One of our youngsters was born 1975, so turns a ripe and mellow
>> 30 this summer. I have started to find wines from that year -
>> port is a natural as it was declared vintage by many of the good
>> producers, and our own hawker stocks some in their treasure
>> chest. However, apart from first growth Haut Medocs and Petrus,
>> which wines are still alive and drinkable today?
>
> Léoville-L.C., Pichon-Lalande (the only vintage vinified by Michel
> Delon of LLC, btw), Ducru, Latour.
>
>> I would hazard some Bourg reds,
>
> Hands off! Totally rotten vintage. Even DRCs undrinkable.
>
>> perhaps some Mosel Rieslings,
>
> Yes!


Good. Now, where do I find some old Rieslings? For Bordeaux, I try to hang
out on the iDealWine.com (usually losing the bids to somebody present in the
auction hall, which, I might add, has saved me considerable sums so far),
but where are the old Germans? Anything similar on a .de web site?

Cheers

Nils Gustaf

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"Michael Pronay" > skrev i meddelandet
...
> "Nils Gustaf Lindgren" > wrote:
>
>> One of our youngsters was born 1975, so turns a ripe and mellow
>> 30 this summer. I have started to find wines from that year -
>> port is a natural as it was declared vintage by many of the good
>> producers, and our own hawker stocks some in their treasure
>> chest. However, apart from first growth Haut Medocs and Petrus,
>> which wines are still alive and drinkable today?
>
> Léoville-L.C., Pichon-Lalande (the only vintage vinified by Michel
> Delon of LLC, btw), Ducru, Latour.
>
>> I would hazard some Bourg reds,
>
> Hands off! Totally rotten vintage. Even DRCs undrinkable.
>
>> perhaps some Mosel Rieslings,
>
> Yes!


Good. Now, where do I find some old Rieslings? For Bordeaux, I try to hang
out on the iDealWine.com (usually losing the bids to somebody present in the
auction hall, which, I might add, has saved me considerable sums so far),
but where are the old Germans? Anything similar on a .de web site?

Cheers

Nils Gustaf

--
Respond to nils dot lindgren at drchips dot se

Hi Nils!
you may want to try http://www.wein48.de/raritaet.html
Anders

"Nils Gustaf Lindgren" > skrev i melding
news
> "Michael Pronay" > skrev i meddelandet
> ...
>> "Nils Gustaf Lindgren" > wrote:
>>
>>> One of our youngsters was born 1975, so turns a ripe and mellow
>>> 30 this summer. I have started to find wines from that year -
>>> port is a natural as it was declared vintage by many of the good
>>> producers, and our own hawker stocks some in their treasure
>>> chest. However, apart from first growth Haut Medocs and Petrus,
>>> which wines are still alive and drinkable today?
>>
>> Léoville-L.C., Pichon-Lalande (the only vintage vinified by Michel
>> Delon of LLC, btw), Ducru, Latour.
>>
>>> I would hazard some Bourg reds,
>>
>> Hands off! Totally rotten vintage. Even DRCs undrinkable.
>>
>>> perhaps some Mosel Rieslings,
>>
>> Yes!
>
>
> Good. Now, where do I find some old Rieslings? For Bordeaux, I try to hang
> out on the iDealWine.com (usually losing the bids to somebody present in
> the auction hall, which, I might add, has saved me considerable sums so
> far), but where are the old Germans? Anything similar on a .de web site?
>
> Cheers
>
> Nils Gustaf
>
> --
> Respond to nils dot lindgren at drchips dot se
>

Hi Nils!
you may want to try http://www.wein48.de/raritaet.html
Anders

"Nils Gustaf Lindgren" > skrev i melding
news
> "Michael Pronay" > skrev i meddelandet
> ...
>> "Nils Gustaf Lindgren" > wrote:
>>
>>> One of our youngsters was born 1975, so turns a ripe and mellow
>>> 30 this summer. I have started to find wines from that year -
>>> port is a natural as it was declared vintage by many of the good
>>> producers, and our own hawker stocks some in their treasure
>>> chest. However, apart from first growth Haut Medocs and Petrus,
>>> which wines are still alive and drinkable today?
>>
>> Léoville-L.C., Pichon-Lalande (the only vintage vinified by Michel
>> Delon of LLC, btw), Ducru, Latour.
>>
>>> I would hazard some Bourg reds,
>>
>> Hands off! Totally rotten vintage. Even DRCs undrinkable.
>>
>>> perhaps some Mosel Rieslings,
>>
>> Yes!
>
>
> Good. Now, where do I find some old Rieslings? For Bordeaux, I try to hang
> out on the iDealWine.com (usually losing the bids to somebody present in
> the auction hall, which, I might add, has saved me considerable sums so
> far), but where are the old Germans? Anything similar on a .de web site?
>
> Cheers
>
> Nils Gustaf
>
> --
> Respond to nils dot lindgren at drchips dot se
>

Thank you both, Nils and Ian

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"Ian Hoare" > wrote in message
...
> Salut/Hi Cygnus,
>
> le/on Sun, 27 Feb 2005 01:11:48 -0500, tu disais/you said:-
>
> >Hi Everyone,
> >
> >I don't think I've posted in this group before, but enjoying reading it
> >quite a bit. I was surprised to read the post below that a 30 year old
> >Riesling could not only be good, but in this case great. I thought white
> >wines were usually consumed young - is that true most of the time?
>
> Many more white wines can be drunk with some bottle age than you might
> think. It's a common truism that red wines need age and white wines don't.
> Like all truisms, there is a basis of fact.
>
> OK. As a general rule, sweet wines not only live a long time, but many,
> especially those whose sweetness comes from "Noble Rot" (aka botrytis),
> improve dramatically. No, let's be more precise. They _change_
dramatically,
> losing fresh fruitiness, and gaining depth and complexity. Young sweet
> botrytised wines are so delicious that it is unfair only to say that they
> _improve_.
>
> Sweet white wines whose sweetness comes about because the grapes are dried
> by letting them hang on the vine a long time, or because the wine maker
has
> stopped their fermentation by adding alcohol, are less imporoved by age,
in
> general. (In reds of that type, don't forget port).
>
> Amongst European dry whites, some demand aging, notably the classic whites
> made from Chardonnay in Burgundy, and the wines made from the Chenin Blanc
> on the Loire and the great Rhine, Mosel, Saar and Ruwer wines. Lesser
wines
> can take more aging than you might think, but may not necessarily be
> improved by it. I think it's true to say that Italian whites resist aging
> less well as they lose the fresh attractiveness they have when young,
> without gaining much complexity. But I'd suggest that even from Italy
there
> are VERY few wines which won't keep a couple of years.
>
> >Thanks for educating me =)
>
> Hope the above continues the process.
>
> --
> All the Best
> Ian Hoare
> http://www.souvigne.com
> mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:53:13 GMT, "Nils Gustaf Lindgren" <nils.lindgren@NOT=
AVALIDADRESS.se> said:

] Hello;
] One of our youngsters was born 1975, so turns a ripe and mellow 30 this=20
] summer. I have started to find wines from that year - port is a natural a=
s=20
] it was declared vintage by many of the good producers, and our own hawker=
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] stocks some in their treasure chest. However, apart from first growth Hau=
t=20
] Medocs and Petrus, which wines are still alive and drinkable today? I wou=
ld=20
] hazard some Bourg reds, perhaps some Mosel Rieslings, but I=B4m uncertain=
..=20
] Hints are eagerly accepted.
]=20

Hi Nils,=20

Veyr late to this, but how about a Chateau Neuf? There are some excellent
75s that are holding up well (if you like old CdP of course). Certainly tr=
uly
alive. And available sur place from both Mont Redon and Grand Tinel.
I believe these were still the "old style" Mont Redons...

-E

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