After an 8 year hiatus, I began drinking wine and beer again about a year
ago. After 1 or 2 glasses of wine (mostly red), I often have a "buzz
head/foggy head" for a day or day and a half. Not really a head ache (or a
hangover), the feeling is more of the foggy head associated with a cold or
flu. I have no allergies that I am aware of.

Also, 1 or 2 beers does not induce a similar outcome. BTW, I typically
drink "value" (cheap) wines ($7-$10).

Other than cessation from wine, any thoughts or experiences related?

Thx
Chip L

Chip L wrote:
> After an 8 year hiatus, I began drinking wine and beer again about a year
> ago. After 1 or 2 glasses of wine (mostly red), I often have a "buzz
> head/foggy head" for a day or day and a half. Not really a head ache (or a
> hangover), the feeling is more of the foggy head associated with a cold or
> flu. I have no allergies that I am aware of.
>
> Also, 1 or 2 beers does not induce a similar outcome. BTW, I typically
> drink "value" (cheap) wines ($7-$10).
>
> Other than cessation from wine, any thoughts or experiences related?
>
> Thx
> Chip L
>
>
You might be an individual, whom has a low tolerance to sulfates. You
might try a sulfate free, or an organic wine. Our Daily Reds
(California about $7.50) There are several California and French
Organic wines that are inexpensive. Find one without the sulfates, that
you enjoy. The headaches will disappear

"David Hough" > wrote in message
...
> Chip L wrote:
> > After an 8 year hiatus, I began drinking wine and beer again about a
year
> > ago. After 1 or 2 glasses of wine (mostly red), I often have a "buzz
> > head/foggy head" for a day or day and a half. Not really a head ache
(or a
> > hangover), the feeling is more of the foggy head associated with a cold
or
> > flu. I have no allergies that I am aware of.
> >
> > Also, 1 or 2 beers does not induce a similar outcome. BTW, I typically
> > drink "value" (cheap) wines ($7-$10).
> >
> > Other than cessation from wine, any thoughts or experiences related?
> >
> > Thx
> > Chip L
> >
> >
> You might be an individual, whom has a low tolerance to sulfates. You
> might try a sulfate free, or an organic wine. Our Daily Reds
> (California about $7.50) There are several California and French
> Organic wines that are inexpensive. Find one without the sulfates, that
> you enjoy. The headaches will disappear

Not necessarily so...histamines are a much more common cause
of headaches and head discomfort than sulfates which primarily
cause problems in asthmatics, and these problems are normally
respiratory rather than the headache/stuffiness syndrome caused
by histamines. The test is equally simple though, take a Benadryl
a half-hour before drinking wine. If it is an histaminic problem you
will have no headache. If it is you can experiment with different
styles (red, white, aged, cheap unaged) and try to find something
that works. Worst case you take either Benadryl or Claritin or the
like to block the histamines and enjoy drinking wines on occasion.

pavane

Salut/Hi David Hough,

le/on Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:32:27 -0500, tu disais/you said:-


>> ago. After 1 or 2 glasses of wine (mostly red), I often have a "buzz
>> head/foggy head" for a day or day and a half. Not really a head ache (or a
>> hangover), the feeling is more of the foggy head associated with a cold or
>> flu. I have no allergies that I am aware of.

Not being a doctor, I've not pronounced in this! (Smirk).

>You might be an individual, whom has a low tolerance to sulfates.

Sulfites (or in English, sulphites)

>might try a sulfate free, or an organic wine.

Organic wines? Sulphuring is permitted afaik. You can get wines with no
added sulphites, but even they have small quantities, which are created
during the fermentation process.
--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

Salut/Hi David Hough,

le/on Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:32:27 -0500, tu disais/you said:-


>> ago. After 1 or 2 glasses of wine (mostly red), I often have a "buzz
>> head/foggy head" for a day or day and a half. Not really a head ache (or a
>> hangover), the feeling is more of the foggy head associated with a cold or
>> flu. I have no allergies that I am aware of.

Not being a doctor, I've not pronounced in this! (Smirk).

>You might be an individual, whom has a low tolerance to sulfates.

Sulfites (or in English, sulphites)

>might try a sulfate free, or an organic wine.

Organic wines? Sulphuring is permitted afaik. You can get wines with no
added sulphites, but even they have small quantities, which are created
during the fermentation process.
--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

Ian Hoare wrote:
> Salut/Hi David Hough,
>
> le/on Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:32:27 -0500, tu disais/you said:-
>
>
>>> ago. After 1 or 2 glasses of wine (mostly red), I often
>>> have a
>>> "buzz head/foggy head" for a day or day and a half. Not
>>> really a
>>> head ache (or a hangover), the feeling is more of the foggy
>>> head
>>> associated with a cold or flu. I have no allergies that I
>>> am aware
>>> of.
>
> Not being a doctor, I've not pronounced in this! (Smirk).

In the words of the TV commercial by the man in the white lab.
coat, "I'm not a doctor but if I were.........."

>
>> You might be an individual, whom has a low tolerance to
>> sulfates.
>
> Sulfites (or in English, sulphites)
>

To extend Ian's parenthetic comment, "in English, sulphites"; he
is obviously aware that IUAPC (International Union of Pure and
Applied Chemistry) has decided that the scientific literature is
to use the spelling "sulfur" for element 16. Since this was
originally the US spelling, I gather there are inevitably some
stubborn holdouts among speakers of British English (g).


--
James V. Silverton
Potomac, Maryland, USA

Thanks for the input. After posting, I did some research on wine and
headaches. Apparently the Red Wine Headache (RWH) is fairly common although
poorly understood. Suspected causes include tannins, histamines, sulfites,
and prostaglandins. Many articles were similar to this:

http://www.beekmanwine.com/prevtopbd.htm

Last night, I took 2 asprin and one antihistimine (Chlor-tron) an hour
before enjoying 2 glasses of red wine. I woke today feeling better than
usual with the 'fog head' about 80% reduced


Worst case you take either Benadryl or Claritin or the
> like to block the histamines and enjoy drinking wines on occasion.
>
> pavane
>
>

"Chip L" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for the input. After posting, I did some research on wine and
> headaches. Apparently the Red Wine Headache (RWH) is fairly common
> although
> poorly understood. Suspected causes include tannins, histamines,
> sulfites,
> and prostaglandins.

I sat at a wine tasting next to a doctor many years ago. He explained that
the red wine headache was caused by a histamine reaction to tyramine.
Apparently white wines contain either none or much less tyramine than reds.

> Last night, I took 2 asprin and one antihistimine (Chlor-tron) an hour
> before enjoying 2 glasses of red wine. I woke today feeling better than
> usual with the 'fog head' about 80% reduced

See? Where shall I send the bill? ;^)

Tom S

Salut/Hi James Silverton,

le/on Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:21:05 -0500, tu disais/you said:-


>> Not being a doctor, I've not pronounced in this! (Smirk).
>
>In the words of the TV commercial by the man in the white lab.
>coat, "I'm not a doctor but if I were.........."

I won't even go that far. All I'd be tempted to say was that the symptoms
made me think of an allergy. In fact, it's so ludicrously easy to test SO2
allergy I'm surprised no one has suggested it. (smirking smugly again).

>> Sulfites (or in English, sulphites)

>To extend Ian's parenthetic comment, "in English, sulphites"; he
>is obviously aware that IUAPC (International Union of Pure and
>Applied Chemistry) has decided that the scientific literature is
>to use the spelling "sulfur" for element 16. Since this was
>originally the US spelling, I gather there are inevitably some
>stubborn holdouts among speakers of British English (g).

Absolutely. I'm damned if I'm going to dumb down MY language to suit a bunch
of American dominated academics. Now you know why I left the world of
chemistry to become an alchemist.

So I'll continue to talk of alumINIum instead of the bevolting alOOminum
too. And Chile powder is a compound, while chilli powder is made by grinding
the dried fruit of the capsicum annuum. And we make ratatatataouille from
aubergines, and sprinkle guacamole with chopped coriander.

"Pshaw", "humph" and other expressions of embarrassed discomfiture.

--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

Ian Hoare wrote:
> Salut/Hi James Silverton,
>
>>, I gather there are inevitably some
>> stubborn holdouts among speakers of British English (g).
>
> Absolutely. I'm damned if I'm going to dumb down MY language
> to suit
> a bunch of American dominated academics. Now you know why I
> left the
> world of chemistry to become an alchemist.
>
>.
>
> "Pshaw", "humph" and other expressions of embarrassed
> discomfiture.

That was exactly what I expected Ian (g)! I must admit that I've
never really seen any great virtue in uniformity for its own
sake but fighting the technical editors was usually a battle I
lost :-(


--
James V. Silverton
Potomac, Maryland, USA

Glad to hear it, you are on the right track now. And thanks
for the referenced article.

pavane

"Chip L" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for the input. After posting, I did some research on wine and
> headaches. Apparently the Red Wine Headache (RWH) is fairly common
although
> poorly understood. Suspected causes include tannins, histamines,
sulfites,
> and prostaglandins. Many articles were similar to this:
>
> http://www.beekmanwine.com/prevtopbd.htm
>
> Last night, I took 2 asprin and one antihistimine (Chlor-tron) an hour
> before enjoying 2 glasses of red wine. I woke today feeling better than
> usual with the 'fog head' about 80% reduced
>
>
> Worst case you take either Benadryl or Claritin or the
> > like to block the histamines and enjoy drinking wines on occasion.
> >
> > pavane
> >
> >
>
>

David Hough > wrote in message >...
> >
> You might be an individual, whom has a low tolerance to sulfates. You
> might try a sulfate free, or an organic wine. Our Daily Reds
> (California about $7.50) There are several California and French
> Organic wines that are inexpensive. Find one without the sulfates, that
> you enjoy. The headaches will disappear

Sulfates? yeah, well, sulfuric acid in your plonk will sure give you a
headache. But the sulfites might do it as well.

Rob

Salut/Hi James Silverton,

le/on Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:14:47 -0500, tu disais/you said:-

>> "Pshaw", "humph" and other expressions of embarrassed
>> discomfiture.

>That was exactly what I expected Ian (g)!

Oh, but James, I _always_ try to "humph" when it's expected of me. When I
was younger, it was spelt without the final h but now I'm having to behave
myself.

>never really seen any great virtue in uniformity for its own
>sake but fighting the technical editors was usually a battle I
>lost :-(

I'd argue for variety for its own sake. But that's the mentality typical of
an eccentric Brit.

As for fighting technical editors. That's a luxury which has to be reserved
for retirement, or for when you become a cat. Remember your RAH. "Never try
to outstubborn a cat".


--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

Hello dere, I vas out for a copple veeks and mine cousin almost had mine
tubes pulled but I'm up for the schlep. Now about dese headaches--dey had a
Latin toim for it around Paul (aka Solly) and Peter's time--"Luchim in Kup".
Usually dat waz after a toga party ver der was a lot of foimented grain and
hummis and giolies. Vat we did vas rub der heads mit eucalpytis leaves in a
Schvitz(ake sauna) and gave em vat you now call an enema dat and a little
wicky wacky from a lady camel in heat and dat headache vas history. Of
course who knew what goims da camels had and dis waz before sulfa and your
pennycillan so da cure may have been woiser den da headache, aldo mine
nephew Weird Haerutus eloped to Crete vit his camel.........................

J. Murray Fefferman, worlds oldest salesman and vegatable as told to

Joseph B. Rosenberg
"Ian Hoare" > wrote in message
...
> Salut/Hi James Silverton,
>
> le/on Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:14:47 -0500, tu disais/you said:-
>
> >> "Pshaw", "humph" and other expressions of embarrassed
> >> discomfiture.
>
> >That was exactly what I expected Ian (g)!
>
> Oh, but James, I _always_ try to "humph" when it's expected of me. When I
> was younger, it was spelt without the final h but now I'm having to behave
> myself.
>
> >never really seen any great virtue in uniformity for its own
> >sake but fighting the technical editors was usually a battle I
> >lost :-(
>
> I'd argue for variety for its own sake. But that's the mentality typical
of
> an eccentric Brit.
>
> As for fighting technical editors. That's a luxury which has to be
reserved
> for retirement, or for when you become a cat. Remember your RAH. "Never
try
> to outstubborn a cat".
>
>
> --
> All the Best
> Ian Hoare
> http://www.souvigne.com
> mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

I find I do better with wine with less tannin with getting headaches.

Chip L wrote:

> After an 8 year hiatus, I began drinking wine and beer again about a year
> ago. After 1 or 2 glasses of wine (mostly red), I often have a "buzz
> head/foggy head" for a day or day and a half. Not really a head ache (or a
> hangover), the feeling is more of the foggy head associated with a cold or
> flu. I have no allergies that I am aware of.
>
> Also, 1 or 2 beers does not induce a similar outcome. BTW, I typically
> drink "value" (cheap) wines ($7-$10).
>
> Other than cessation from wine, any thoughts or experiences related?
>
> Thx
> Chip L
>
>


Hello,

Please forgive me if I repeat anything that has been said before. I am
pretty sure we have this discussion once every few months.

My personal experience is that you get the red wine headache the morning
after. I can quite often get white wine headaches within a short time of
drinking white, which would probably support the histamine theory for
whites. The "heavy" nature of red, with all those extra little heavy
bits floating around would tend to support the tannin argument.

Like when you drink a really light crisp beer as apposed to
Schloffenhoffer which is so think you cannot see through it. That is
headache central. The same with spirits. Usually the lighter it is the
less likely you are to get a headache.

I have histamine allergies so that would explain the white.

It has been said before however that quality whites do not give you a
headache.



All this has been garnered from years of drinking experience.


Mat.

Hey Chip,
now that all the "Big" wine experts who think they are Doctors have weighed
in, I'll give you my theory.

Wine is a drug. It has alcohol in it. Alcohol is bad for your brain cells.
Every time you drink an alcoholic beverage (wine) Brain cells are
destroyed, never to regenerate. The reasons and explanations the
Peckerheads in this group are giving you are meaningless. Your body is
telling you to get a new drug. Try pot.
Stick around on this NG and you will see these people make mountains out of
molehills.
"Chip L" > wrote in message
...
> After an 8 year hiatus, I began drinking wine and beer again about a year
> ago. After 1 or 2 glasses of wine (mostly red), I often have a "buzz
> head/foggy head" for a day or day and a half. Not really a head ache (or
> a
> hangover), the feeling is more of the foggy head associated with a cold or
> flu. I have no allergies that I am aware of.
>
> Also, 1 or 2 beers does not induce a similar outcome. BTW, I typically
> drink "value" (cheap) wines ($7-$10).
>
> Other than cessation from wine, any thoughts or experiences related?
>
> Thx
> Chip L
>
>

Hey Chip,
now that all the "Big" wine experts who think they are Doctors have weighed
in, I'll give you my theory.

Wine is a drug. It has alcohol in it. Alcohol is bad for your brain cells.
Every time you drink an alcoholic beverage (wine) Brain cells are
destroyed, never to regenerate. The reasons and explanations the
Peckerheads in this group are giving you are meaningless. Your body is
telling you to get a new drug. Try pot.
Stick around on this NG and you will see these people make mountains out of
molehills.
"Chip L" > wrote in message
...
> After an 8 year hiatus, I began drinking wine and beer again about a year
> ago. After 1 or 2 glasses of wine (mostly red), I often have a "buzz
> head/foggy head" for a day or day and a half. Not really a head ache (or
> a
> hangover), the feeling is more of the foggy head associated with a cold or
> flu. I have no allergies that I am aware of.
>
> Also, 1 or 2 beers does not induce a similar outcome. BTW, I typically
> drink "value" (cheap) wines ($7-$10).
>
> Other than cessation from wine, any thoughts or experiences related?
>
> Thx
> Chip L
>
>

I never got a red wine headache. I only drink alcohol occasionally, maybe
once a month. I can't see drinking wine everyday