Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc



Regards


Krumme

On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:17:18 +0200, "Krumme" >
wrote:

>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc

Online?

http://www.kobrandwine.com/maps/map_list.html

And for detailed Burgundy map...
http://www.kobrandwine.com/kceducati...actsheets.html

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:17:18 +0200, "Krumme" >
wrote:

>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc

Online?

http://www.kobrandwine.com/maps/map_list.html

And for detailed Burgundy map...
http://www.kobrandwine.com/kceducati...actsheets.html

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

mugabe wrote:
> Go to a search engine Peckerhead.
> "Krumme" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which
>> showing
>> wine producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc

Perhaps it was not said as such but I think the poster was
asking for opinions of good sites and insults are entirely
inappropriate, IMO. Surely it can be assumed that almost
everyone knows about Google!


--
James V. Silverton
Potomac, Maryland, USA

mugabe wrote:
> Go to a search engine Peckerhead.
> "Krumme" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which
>> showing
>> wine producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc

Perhaps it was not said as such but I think the poster was
asking for opinions of good sites and insults are entirely
inappropriate, IMO. Surely it can be assumed that almost
everyone knows about Google!


--
James V. Silverton
Potomac, Maryland, USA

Go to a search engine Peckerhead.
"Krumme" > wrote in message
...
> Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
> producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Krumme
>

Go to a search engine Peckerhead.
"Krumme" > wrote in message
...
> Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
> producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Krumme
>

Try Art S's site, I recall he had great maps on it. I'm sure Kobrands site
is useful but do may not include areas that they have no clients(smile).
http://www.stratsplace.com/

--
Joseph B. Rosenberg
"James Silverton" > wrote in message
news
> mugabe wrote:
> > Go to a search engine Peckerhead.
> > "Krumme" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which
> >> showing
> >> wine producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
> Perhaps it was not said as such but I think the poster was
> asking for opinions of good sites and insults are entirely
> inappropriate, IMO. Surely it can be assumed that almost
> everyone knows about Google!
>
>
> --
> James V. Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland, USA
>

Try Art S's site, I recall he had great maps on it. I'm sure Kobrands site
is useful but do may not include areas that they have no clients(smile).
http://www.stratsplace.com/

--
Joseph B. Rosenberg
"James Silverton" > wrote in message
news
> mugabe wrote:
> > Go to a search engine Peckerhead.
> > "Krumme" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which
> >> showing
> >> wine producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
> Perhaps it was not said as such but I think the poster was
> asking for opinions of good sites and insults are entirely
> inappropriate, IMO. Surely it can be assumed that almost
> everyone knows about Google!
>
>
> --
> James V. Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland, USA
>

Some Peckerheads know nothing.
"James Silverton" > wrote in message
news
> mugabe wrote:
>> Go to a search engine Peckerhead.
>> "Krumme" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing
>>> wine producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
> Perhaps it was not said as such but I think the poster was asking for
> opinions of good sites and insults are entirely inappropriate, IMO. Surely
> it can be assumed that almost everyone knows about Google!
>
>
> --
> James V. Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland, USA

Some Peckerheads know nothing.
"James Silverton" > wrote in message
news
> mugabe wrote:
>> Go to a search engine Peckerhead.
>> "Krumme" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing
>>> wine producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
> Perhaps it was not said as such but I think the poster was asking for
> opinions of good sites and insults are entirely inappropriate, IMO. Surely
> it can be assumed that almost everyone knows about Google!
>
>
> --
> James V. Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland, USA

In article >, says...
>
>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
>
>
>Regards
>
>
>Krumme

Since you have gotten some good suggestions maps/online, I'll add that a
small, inexpensive book, "The Wine Lover's Companion," by Ron Herbst &
Sharon Tyler Herbst, ISBN 0-8120-1478-0 has a good map section in the back.

Hunt

In article >, says...
>
>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
>
>
>Regards
>
>
>Krumme

Since you have gotten some good suggestions maps/online, I'll add that a
small, inexpensive book, "The Wine Lover's Companion," by Ron Herbst &
Sharon Tyler Herbst, ISBN 0-8120-1478-0 has a good map section in the back.

Hunt

In article >,
Steve Slatcher > wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:17:18 +0200, "Krumme" >
>wrote:
>
>>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
>>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
>Online?
>
>http://www.kobrandwine.com/maps/map_list.html
>
>And for detailed Burgundy map...
>http://www.kobrandwine.com/kceducati...actsheets.html


Wonderful maps! Where did Kobrand get them? Are they from some reference?


Dimitri

In article >,
Steve Slatcher > wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:17:18 +0200, "Krumme" >
>wrote:
>
>>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
>>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
>Online?
>
>http://www.kobrandwine.com/maps/map_list.html
>
>And for detailed Burgundy map...
>http://www.kobrandwine.com/kceducati...actsheets.html


Wonderful maps! Where did Kobrand get them? Are they from some reference?


Dimitri

Good maps, thanks Steve.

Another good set of Burgundy maps can be found at :
http://www.burgundywine.net/index.php?p=481

Of course, OP was asking re Bordeaux so my contribution isn't that
helpful....

Good maps, thanks Steve.

Another good set of Burgundy maps can be found at :
http://www.burgundywine.net/index.php?p=481

Of course, OP was asking re Bordeaux so my contribution isn't that
helpful....

In article .com>,
says...
>
>Good maps, thanks Steve.
>
>Another good set of Burgundy maps can be found at :
>http://www.burgundywine.net/index.php?p=481
>
>Of course, OP was asking re Bordeaux so my contribution isn't that
>helpful....

Except for the edification of others in the NG, like myself. Thanks for the
info.

Hunt

In article .com>,
says...
>
>Good maps, thanks Steve.
>
>Another good set of Burgundy maps can be found at :
>http://www.burgundywine.net/index.php?p=481
>
>Of course, OP was asking re Bordeaux so my contribution isn't that
>helpful....

Except for the edification of others in the NG, like myself. Thanks for the
info.

Hunt

"Krumme" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
> Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
> producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc


Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use in
the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are really
detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the winemaker/
chateaus grapefields.

And i have allready used google.


Regards


Krumme

"Krumme" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
> Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
> producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc


Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use in
the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are really
detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the winemaker/
chateaus grapefields.

And i have allready used google.


Regards


Krumme

Steve Slatcher wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:17:18 +0200, "Krumme" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
>>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
>
> Online?
>
> http://www.kobrandwine.com/maps/map_list.html
>
> And for detailed Burgundy map...
> http://www.kobrandwine.com/kceducati...actsheets.html
>


I can tell you this map is absolutely deplorable, terrible:

http://www.kobrandwine.com/maps/flash/047_victoria.html

It totally misses the Mornington Peninsula. As well as Gippsland. As
well as other wineries residing outside the map.



This looks an awfully lot more instructive:
http://www.winebase.com.au/ozmaps.htm

Although I notice a lot of wineries missing. But at least half of
Victoria is not missing.

Steve Slatcher wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:17:18 +0200, "Krumme" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
>>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
>
> Online?
>
> http://www.kobrandwine.com/maps/map_list.html
>
> And for detailed Burgundy map...
> http://www.kobrandwine.com/kceducati...actsheets.html
>


I can tell you this map is absolutely deplorable, terrible:

http://www.kobrandwine.com/maps/flash/047_victoria.html

It totally misses the Mornington Peninsula. As well as Gippsland. As
well as other wineries residing outside the map.



This looks an awfully lot more instructive:
http://www.winebase.com.au/ozmaps.htm

Although I notice a lot of wineries missing. But at least half of
Victoria is not missing.

Krumme wrote:

> "Krumme" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>
>>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
>>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
>
>
> Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use in
> the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are really
> detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the winemaker/
> chateaus grapefields.
>
> And i have allready used google.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Krumme
>
>

I think you will most like have to pay for maps that detailed. There
will be sites on the internet where you can buy maps like that, but I
doubt that you will find anything that detailed for free.

Mat.

Krumme wrote:

> "Krumme" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>
>>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
>>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
>
>
> Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use in
> the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are really
> detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the winemaker/
> chateaus grapefields.
>
> And i have allready used google.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Krumme
>
>

I think you will most like have to pay for maps that detailed. There
will be sites on the internet where you can buy maps like that, but I
doubt that you will find anything that detailed for free.

Mat.

Krumme wrote:
> "Krumme" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>
>>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
>>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
>
>
> Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use in
> the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are really
> detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the winemaker/
> chateaus grapefields.

Wow!! That's more detail than you're going to be able to find on the
Web, certainly. Even the maps in Johnson and Robinson's "World Atlas of
Wine" aren't *that* detailed. Without question, the most detailed maps
I've seen are in the Hachette Atlas of French Wines & Vineyards, but
even there I don't believe that they delineate property boundaries. You
might perhaps be able to find a specialty volume on Bordeaux that would
show all the property boundaries, but I am not aware of one.

Mark Lipton

Krumme wrote:
> "Krumme" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>
>>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
>>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>
>
>
> Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use in
> the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are really
> detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the winemaker/
> chateaus grapefields.

Wow!! That's more detail than you're going to be able to find on the
Web, certainly. Even the maps in Johnson and Robinson's "World Atlas of
Wine" aren't *that* detailed. Without question, the most detailed maps
I've seen are in the Hachette Atlas of French Wines & Vineyards, but
even there I don't believe that they delineate property boundaries. You
might perhaps be able to find a specialty volume on Bordeaux that would
show all the property boundaries, but I am not aware of one.

Mark Lipton

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:30:25 +0200, "Krumme" >
wrote:

>Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use in
>the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are really
>detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the winemaker/
>chateaus grapefields.

Kobrand give you detail down to 1er cru vineyard level for some
Burgundy villages.

As other people have said, you are generally not going to find that
level of detail on the Web.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:30:25 +0200, "Krumme" >
wrote:

>Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use in
>the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are really
>detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the winemaker/
>chateaus grapefields.

Kobrand give you detail down to 1er cru vineyard level for some
Burgundy villages.

As other people have said, you are generally not going to find that
level of detail on the Web.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:08:17 +1000, Mat <Ask@me> wrote:

>Steve Slatcher wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:17:18 +0200, "Krumme" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
>>>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>>
>>
>> Online?
>>
>> http://www.kobrandwine.com/maps/map_list.html
>>
>> And for detailed Burgundy map...
>> http://www.kobrandwine.com/kceducati...actsheets.html
>>
>
>
>I can tell you this map is absolutely deplorable, terrible:
>
>http://www.kobrandwine.com/maps/flash/047_victoria.html
>
>It totally misses the Mornington Peninsula. As well as Gippsland. As
>well as other wineries residing outside the map.

I've heard there are errors on the Champagne map too.

Moral: just because they look pretty doesn't mean they are good. I
suspect it is about as good as it gets though for free wine maps on
the web. Caveat emptor :-)

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:08:17 +1000, Mat <Ask@me> wrote:

>Steve Slatcher wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:17:18 +0200, "Krumme" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
>>>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
>>
>>
>> Online?
>>
>> http://www.kobrandwine.com/maps/map_list.html
>>
>> And for detailed Burgundy map...
>> http://www.kobrandwine.com/kceducati...actsheets.html
>>
>
>
>I can tell you this map is absolutely deplorable, terrible:
>
>http://www.kobrandwine.com/maps/flash/047_victoria.html
>
>It totally misses the Mornington Peninsula. As well as Gippsland. As
>well as other wineries residing outside the map.

I've heard there are errors on the Champagne map too.

Moral: just because they look pretty doesn't mean they are good. I
suspect it is about as good as it gets though for free wine maps on
the web. Caveat emptor :-)

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:30:25 +0200, "Krumme" > said:

]
] "Krumme" > skrev i en meddelelse
] ...
] > Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
] > producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
]
]
] Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use in
] the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are really
] detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the winemaker/
] chateaus grapefields.
]
] And i have allready used google.
]
]

Krumme, you can get 1:25000 maps from the IGN: www.ign.fr. They also
have aerial photos that may show you some of what you want.

The site's in french, but for example on the top page type "margaux" into
the box "je m'interesse a" and you'll get some stuff. Of course they want
to sell you maps, too, but for the level of detail that's not surprising.

To see where actual properties begin and end you need what's called
"les plans cadastrals", which are a matter of public record, but as far
as I know are not available online, they're kept at the mayors office of
each commune. So to get this info you'd have to go to Margaux, then
photocopy the lot. So not much good news there.

Anyway, hope ign helps some.

-E

--
Emery Davis
You can reply to
by removing the well known companies

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:30:25 +0200, "Krumme" > said:

]
] "Krumme" > skrev i en meddelelse
] ...
] > Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
] > producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
]
]
] Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use in
] the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are really
] detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the winemaker/
] chateaus grapefields.
]
] And i have allready used google.
]
]

Krumme, you can get 1:25000 maps from the IGN: www.ign.fr. They also
have aerial photos that may show you some of what you want.

The site's in french, but for example on the top page type "margaux" into
the box "je m'interesse a" and you'll get some stuff. Of course they want
to sell you maps, too, but for the level of detail that's not surprising.

To see where actual properties begin and end you need what's called
"les plans cadastrals", which are a matter of public record, but as far
as I know are not available online, they're kept at the mayors office of
each commune. So to get this info you'd have to go to Margaux, then
photocopy the lot. So not much good news there.

Anyway, hope ign helps some.

-E

--
Emery Davis
You can reply to
by removing the well known companies

Michelin sells some very detailed maps but I doubt if they include
vineyards. I used them when traveling in Burgundy, the Rhone the Languedoc
and the Riviera and Piemonte and they were much more accurate than AAA and
other freebies. There is an excellent Atlas of German Wine by Hugh Johnson
and Burton Anderson did one for Italy. I don't think these works have been
updated recently.

Alexis Lichine's Guide to France has some decent maps as does Fadiman &
Aarons the Joys of Wine which weighs 10 lbs and is hard to lug around. A
smaller version the Wine Buyers Guide has lots of Wine Maps but like Lichine
its the wine world circa 1977.

--
Joseph B. Rosenberg
"Mat" <Ask@me> wrote in message ...
> Krumme wrote:
>
> > "Krumme" > skrev i en meddelelse
> > ...
> >
> >>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
> >>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use
in
> > the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are
really
> > detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the
winemaker/
> > chateaus grapefields.
> >
> > And i have allready used google.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Krumme
> >
> >
>
> I think you will most like have to pay for maps that detailed. There
> will be sites on the internet where you can buy maps like that, but I
> doubt that you will find anything that detailed for free.
>
> Mat.
>

Michelin sells some very detailed maps but I doubt if they include
vineyards. I used them when traveling in Burgundy, the Rhone the Languedoc
and the Riviera and Piemonte and they were much more accurate than AAA and
other freebies. There is an excellent Atlas of German Wine by Hugh Johnson
and Burton Anderson did one for Italy. I don't think these works have been
updated recently.

Alexis Lichine's Guide to France has some decent maps as does Fadiman &
Aarons the Joys of Wine which weighs 10 lbs and is hard to lug around. A
smaller version the Wine Buyers Guide has lots of Wine Maps but like Lichine
its the wine world circa 1977.

--
Joseph B. Rosenberg
"Mat" <Ask@me> wrote in message ...
> Krumme wrote:
>
> > "Krumme" > skrev i en meddelelse
> > ...
> >
> >>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
> >>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use
in
> > the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are
really
> > detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the
winemaker/
> > chateaus grapefields.
> >
> > And i have allready used google.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Krumme
> >
> >
>
> I think you will most like have to pay for maps that detailed. There
> will be sites on the internet where you can buy maps like that, but I
> doubt that you will find anything that detailed for free.
>
> Mat.
>

Michelin sells some very detailed maps but I doubt if they include
vineyards. I used them when traveling in Burgundy, the Rhone the Languedoc
and the Riviera and Piemonte and they were much more accurate than AAA and
other freebies. There is an excellent Atlas of German Wine by Hugh Johnson
and Burton Anderson did one for Italy. I don't think these works have been
updated recently.

Alexis Lichine's Guide to France has some decent maps as does Fadiman &
Aarons the Joys of Wine which weighs 10 lbs and is hard to lug around. A
smaller version the Wine Buyers Guide has lots of Wine Maps but like Lichine
its the wine world circa 1977.

--
Joseph B. Rosenberg
"Mat" <Ask@me> wrote in message ...
> Krumme wrote:
>
> > "Krumme" > skrev i en meddelelse
> > ...
> >
> >>Somebody know where i can find detailed maps online which showing wine
> >>producing regions like Pomerol, St. Julien....etc
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for all the answers, but what im looking for is maps like we use
in
> > the military where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are
really
> > detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the
winemaker/
> > chateaus grapefields.
> >
> > And i have allready used google.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Krumme
> >
> >
>
> I think you will most like have to pay for maps that detailed. There
> will be sites on the internet where you can buy maps like that, but I
> doubt that you will find anything that detailed for free.
>
> Mat.
>

Mark Lipton > wrote:

>> ... but what im looking for is maps like we use in the military
>> where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are really
>> detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the
>> winemaker/ chateaus grapefields.

> Wow!! That's more detail than you're going to be able to find
> on the Web, certainly. Even the maps in Johnson and Robinson's
> "World Atlas of Wine" aren't *that* detailed. Without question,
> the most detailed maps I've seen are in the Hachette Atlas of
> French Wines & Vineyards, but even there I don't believe that
> they delineate property boundaries. You might perhaps be able
> to find a specialty volume on Bordeaux that would show all the
> property boundaries, but I am not aware of one.

Broadbent's Bordeaux Atlas shows the vineyards of some selected
(top) chateaux, maybe half a dozen in AOCs like St-Julien or
Pauillac.

M.

Mark Lipton > wrote:

>> ... but what im looking for is maps like we use in the military
>> where I work. Here we call them 2 cm cards and they are really
>> detailed, i would like to see precise where the borders of the
>> winemaker/ chateaus grapefields.

> Wow!! That's more detail than you're going to be able to find
> on the Web, certainly. Even the maps in Johnson and Robinson's
> "World Atlas of Wine" aren't *that* detailed. Without question,
> the most detailed maps I've seen are in the Hachette Atlas of
> French Wines & Vineyards, but even there I don't believe that
> they delineate property boundaries. You might perhaps be able
> to find a specialty volume on Bordeaux that would show all the
> property boundaries, but I am not aware of one.

Broadbent's Bordeaux Atlas shows the vineyards of some selected
(top) chateaux, maybe half a dozen in AOCs like St-Julien or
Pauillac.

M.