So Wednesday night when I double-decanted my last bottle of '90
Haut-Corbin I realized it was horribly corked. I went and opened an
'83 L-Barton and set it aside. But someone (Jim or Betsy?) remembered I
had talked about the plastic wrap as a possible TCA absorbent method
mentioned on the web (was it Jamie Goode?). So I stuck a wad of plastic
wrap in the neck and set aside.

I had tried this once before to no avail, but had not given it the
suggested 48 hours. This time I did, and after 49 hours just tried the
'90 Haut-Corbin. I'm not getting any TCA. I'm also not getting any
"plasticky" odors that another tester noted. On the downside, the nose
is actually fairly neutral -just some warm (almost hot) fruit. On the
palate this is a decent if unexciting and very mature wine. I went
through several bottles of this QPR St. Emilion, and this is my least
favorite. Fruit seems more tired. Of course, that is probably to be
expected from a 15 year old wine from a lesser chateau that has been
opened something like 51 hours.

More evidence is required, but I'll certainly try this method again. A
younger more robust wine might handle the 48 hours a bit better. '

Just a data point.

in article , Rex at
wrote on 6/17/05 8:35 PM:


>
> Dale
> Have you seen this?
> http://fora.erobertparker.com/cgi-bi...c/2/1754.html?
>
> Myron


I'm pretty sure the product in that reference is the same one that started
the discussion here, a while ago, that resulted in the alternative method of
a ball of saran wrap or similar plastic. I think the progression had to do
with the filter material in the device having properties similar to plastic
wrap. Haven't tried it myself, but it appears to be promising.

I'm keeping the site reference though...... and thanks for it. Stranger
things have happened, but I hope the inventor has engineered something
superior, for his sake.

On 17 Jun 2005 17:57:09 -0700, "DaleW" > wrote:

> I'm not getting any TCA. I'm also not getting any
>"plasticky" odors that another tester noted.

PVC clingfilm gives a nasty plasticy taste. I presume you used
polythene.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

Steve Slatcher wrote:

> On 17 Jun 2005 17:57:09 -0700, "DaleW" > wrote:
>
>
>> I'm not getting any TCA. I'm also not getting any
>>"plasticky" odors that another tester noted.
>
>
> PVC clingfilm gives a nasty plasticy taste. I presume you used
> polythene.
>

Steve,
In the US now, even Saran™ Wrap (the original clingfilm) is no
longer PVC, but poly(e)th(yl)ene doped with polysiobutylene to make it
clingy. AFAIK, no one now markets PVC clingwrap in the US.

Mark Lipton

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:20:04 -0500, Mark Lipton >
wrote:

>Steve Slatcher wrote:
>
>> On 17 Jun 2005 17:57:09 -0700, "DaleW" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm not getting any TCA. I'm also not getting any
>>>"plasticky" odors that another tester noted.
>>
>>
>> PVC clingfilm gives a nasty plasticy taste. I presume you used
>> polythene.
>>
>
>Steve,
> In the US now, even Saran™ Wrap (the original clingfilm) is no
>longer PVC, but poly(e)th(yl)ene doped with polysiobutylene to make it
>clingy. AFAIK, no one now markets PVC clingwrap in the US.

They do in the UK. I found out by bitter (literally) experience.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

Mike Tommasi wrote:

> I would think that these markets are fully globalized, I cannot
> imagine the UK making its own home grown terroir cling film... the
> stuff is called polyvynilydene chloride, which is not quite PVC...
> Mark?

You're correct, Mike. PVDC (polyvinylidene chloride) is what's used for
cling wrap -- not PVC (polyvinyl chloride), but again AFAIK it's no
longer used commercially in the US because of its higher cost. Of
course, the US != the world, so it wouldn't surprise me to learn that it
is used in many other countries.

Mark Lipton

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:39:18 +0200, Mike Tommasi >
wrote:

>I cannot
>imagine the UK making its own home grown terroir cling film... the
>stuff is called polyvynilydene chloride, which is not quite PVC...

If it says on the packet "made from Polyvinyl Chloride".

The culprit for imparting the bad taste will probably be the
plasticiser. Phthalate plasticisers are not used in the UK for PVC
food wrap. Don't know what are used.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:11:33 GMT, Mark Lipton >
wrote:

> Of course, the US != the world,

Thank you Mark for saving me the trouble of pointing that out.

The cling film I used was manufactured and sold in the the UK, and
claims confomrance with UK and EU regulations. I see little point in
aiming for a global cling film market. I imagine it was difficult
enough getting a consensus in the EU.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

Mike Tommasi > wrote:

>> In the US now, even Saran™ Wrap (the original clingfilm) is
>> no longer PVC, but poly(e)th(yl)ene doped with polysiobutylene
>> to make it clingy. AFAIK, no one now markets PVC clingwrap in
>> the US.

> Mark, that would be PVDC then?

Polyvinylidene chloride.

M.