Well, tipping is going to change. According to the attached Keller that has
French laundry is going to add tip automatically to bill to compensate
staff.

This is a welcome change in my opinion. See link:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/08/...ion/edshaw.php

We have debated tipping in past....long threads....perhaps the European
method will prevail here in USA over time.

In article . net>,
says...
>
>Well, tipping is going to change. According to the attached Keller that has
>French laundry is going to add tip automatically to bill to compensate
>staff.
>
>This is a welcome change in my opinion. See link:
>
>http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/08/...ion/edshaw.php
>
>We have debated tipping in past....long threads....perhaps the European
>method will prevail here in USA over time.
>
I've always loved the UK term, "discretionary gratuity added... " on the
restaurant fare list and the bill. Since it seems to ALWAYS be added, I have
always speculated that the line should read, "mandatory gratuity added." <G>.
I suppose that they are just stating that it is at THEIR discretion, and they
exercise THAT discretion 100% of the time. In the US, it has been a standing
policy for a percentage to be added to all bills for, say five + diners. So
long as the gratuity is clearly shown, and the patron is informed of its
presence in more than "fine print," I think it is a good policy – so long as
the wait-staff doesn't fall down on the job and expect this remuneration,
regardless of how poorly they perform their jobs. Personally, I like the idea
of the establishment figuring the pay of the wait-staff into the cost of my
meal, then I am allowed to "reward" the staff, when service exceeds my base
expectations, but that is just me. Heck, I even tip UK cabbies, when they
gather my wife's luggage for her, stack the gear in the front, to great
height, just so that her feet are clear of any obstacles, and then load her
stuff in front of the curb-side check in. I've actually had to physically
PRESS the 10 's or so into their hands, saying "No, thank you VERY much."
Besides, they speak perfect English, give us detailed tour notes along the
route, offer clean vehicles, know where they are going, and drive in a
sensible fashion. I cannot say the same for Chicago, DC, San Francisco,
Boston, or many, many other US cities. Heck, in some of THOSE cities, I'd just
take a cab, where more than one door works, and the incense isn't as thick as
High Mass in a small chapel.

Hunt

Salut/Hi Richard Neidich,

le/on Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:42:30 GMT, tu disais/you said:-

>Well, tipping is going to change. According to the attached Keller that has
>French laundry is going to add tip automatically to bill to compensate
>staff.

When we were there in November last year, they said "we normally add 18% to
the bill for staff gratuities" (or some such). Though they did explain that
it was not compulsory.

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In my opinion...this would be a change for the better here in USA.....The
origens of this I understood was that math was not a good subject in Europe
so thats why service was included :-)


"Ian Hoare" > wrote in message
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> Salut/Hi Richard Neidich,
>
> le/on Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:42:30 GMT, tu disais/you said:-
>
>>Well, tipping is going to change. According to the attached Keller that
>>has
>>French laundry is going to add tip automatically to bill to compensate
>>staff.
>
> When we were there in November last year, they said "we normally add 18%
> to
> the bill for staff gratuities" (or some such). Though they did explain
> that
> it was not compulsory.
>
> --
> All the Best
> Ian Hoare
> http://www.souvigne.com
> mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

> In my opinion...this would be a change for the better...

Better for who?

For all.

Waiters / Serve Staff are professionals. Or should be. Like any other
employee they do a job and should be compensated by the employer for such
primarily.

Imagine if this was any other industry...your accountant...I only pay you
what I want--Yeah Right!~!! Your attorney...your doctor....your auto
mechanic...parts plus what I want to.

No...they really should have a wage.

At Chez Panisse in Berkley California they did the same thing. I asked
about it cause it was first time I had seen it like that and they said the
all get health benefits now, have disability and life insurance.....etc....

I think it make a nice statement about the restaurant.

You know what...the service was OUTSTANDING> So even the customer wins.

"Coppy Littlehouse" > wrote in message
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>> In my opinion...this would be a change for the better...
>
> Better for who?
>

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:21:08 GMT, "Richard Neidich"
> wrote:


>Imagine if this was any other industry...your accountant...I only pay you
>what I want--Yeah Right!~!! Your attorney...your doctor....your auto
>mechanic...parts plus what I want to.

See the following link in today's Seattle P-I.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...tipping30.html
It looks like I'm the only one who isn't getting tipped, even though I
always provided excellent service. Maybe I need a lower paying job.

Btw, here's their poll results on the subject:

How much do you usually tip when you dine out? (Total Votes: 4456)

4.9% 10% or less
4.3% 12%
36.2% 15%
22.6% 18%
30.0% 20% or more
0.8% Never tip at all
1.2% Never dine anywhere they expect tips

So clearly we're not a nation of cheapskates. Ot at least the 4,456
P-I readers aren't.

>At Chez Panisse in Berkley California they did the same thing. I asked
>about it cause it was first time I had seen it like that and they said the
>all get health benefits now, have disability and life insurance.....etc....
>
>I think it make a nice statement about the restaurant.

No, it makes a nice statement about the employer's willingness to
provide for his/her employees. That's how you keep good ones. That's
why hardly anybody ever quits Costco, and the customer service is
almost always excellent.

Mandatory tipping isn't a tip, it's a surcharge. Just because I always
tip well doesn't mean I should have to relinquish the option of not
tipping at all if the service sucks.

JJ

Many local restaurants (Florida, US) add a tip amount with an
explanation that goes something like this: "For your convenience, a
15% gratuity has been included in your bill".

I am always tempted to write on the little paper: "For *my*
convenience, you should have taken *off* 15%".


By the way, what is the "European method"?


On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:42:30 GMT, "Richard Neidich"
> wrote:

>Well, tipping is going to change. According to the attached Keller that has
>French laundry is going to add tip automatically to bill to compensate
>staff.
>
>This is a welcome change in my opinion. See link:
>
>http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/08/...ion/edshaw.php
>
>We have debated tipping in past....long threads....perhaps the European
>method will prevail here in USA over time.
>

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Leo Bueno > wrote in
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>
> By the way, what is the "European method"?
>
You will find at the bottom of the menu in France tax and service
included. ie the price of the meal listed is the price you will pay. 50
euro does not become 50 euro plus tax of 17% plus tip of 15%.




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"Leo Bueno" > skrev i melding
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>
>
> By the way, what is the "European method"?
>
WYSIWYP...
(What you see is what you pay)
Anders

Btw, when you buy a car in the US, do you tip then?

I certainly agree..

You give tips for Circumcision :-)




"Anders Tørneskog" > wrote in message
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>
> "Leo Bueno" > skrev i melding
> ...
>>
>>
>> By the way, what is the "European method"?
>>
> WYSIWYP...
> (What you see is what you pay)
> Anders
>
> Btw, when you buy a car in the US, do you tip then?
>
>

In article >,
Anders Tørneskog > wrote:
>
>Btw, when you buy a car in the US, do you tip then?


Do you in Europe? For most car sales, there is not much service provided.
It would be like tipping the grocery store when buying a dozen eggs.
However if, for instance, you used the services of a concierge or buying
service to purchase the car (or clothes or whatever) then I think a tip
is appropriate.


Dimitri