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Hi everybody,
I'm looking for some 1975 wines and I have found only the following wines available (all german): Niersteiner Hipping Riesling Spätlese Niersteiner Patersberg Spätlese Mettenheimer Schloßberg (Fritz Kleinknecht, Faberrebe Spätlese, Bodenheim - Rheinhessen) Riesling (A.P.Nr 4382 238 476, Freiherr von Maltz`lche Weinkellerei Walsrode, Niederemmel-Piesport, Mosel) Weißwein Ruster Spätlese (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand Pieroth) Weißburgunder (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand Pieroth) Grüner Veltliner (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand Pieroth) Rauenthaler Baiken Kabinett (Staatsweingüter Eltville) All wines seem to have been stored in cellars and they are still clear and not flaky. Can anyone with more experience suggest what would be a good wine (from the above) to open? Thanks, Max |
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I've found some wines that I can get hold of:
Couvent des Jacobines Saint-Emilion Grand Cru Classé St. Johanner Abtey (Rheinhessen) Mönchhofer Kreuzjoch, Blaufränkisch (Weingut Niederthäler Hof, Schlossböckelheim) Mönchhofer Kreuzjoch, Zweigelt (Weingut Niederthäler Hof, Schlossböckelheim) Dhroner Hofberger Spätlese Riesling (Qualitätswein mit Prädikat, Weingut Joh. Stadtfeld) Ockfener Bockstein (Weinkellerei Pfarrkirche Bernkastel, Mosel-Saar-Ruwer) Ehringer Kapellenberg Boyd-Cantenac Grand Cru classé (Margaux) Leoville-Poyferré Grand Cru classé (St. Julien) |
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![]() MaxMustermann wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I'm looking for some 1975 wines and I have found only the following > wines available (all german): > > Niersteiner Hipping Riesling Spätlese > Niersteiner Patersberg Spätlese The 2 above wines could still be good with ideal storage, depending on who made them. Without knowing that, one can not say more. > Mettenheimer Schloßberg (Fritz Kleinknecht, Faberrebe Spätlese, > Bodenheim - Rheinhessen) > Riesling (A.P.Nr 4382 238 476, Freiherr von Maltz`lche Weinkellerei > Walsrode, Niederemmel-Piesport, Mosel) I have not had the wines mentioned just above. It is possible they could still be good. My experience is that auslese and above 1975s now are drinking better than lower grades. I would not buy more than one bottle of these wines until I had a chance to taste them. > Weißwein Ruster Spätlese (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand > Pieroth) > Weißburgunder (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand Pieroth) > Grüner Veltliner (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand Pieroth) The wines just above are Austrian and not German. My guess is that they all might be past their best, but only tasting will tell for sure. Perhaps another regular of this group who is an expert on Austrian wines can tell you more. > Rauenthaler Baiken Kabinett (Staatsweingüter Eltville) This is a very famous vineyard and the producer(state) is of high repute. However you are pushing your luck to expect a basic kabinett grade to hold up well for 30 years. Your chances would be improved with a spatlese, and I know the auslese version or above of this wine often can hold up well for 30 years or more. For example the 1976 auslese still is drinking well. The 1949 TBA also is holding well. > All wines seem to have been stored in cellars and they are still clear > and not flaky. Can anyone with more experience suggest what would be a > good wine (from the above) to open? > At the age of these wines, ideal storage at a low temperature is all important. The wines mentioned above all appear to be of grades under auslese. My general experience is that a few such wines of this age still are drinking well, but your chances of getting a very good wine from Germany in the 1975 vintage are much better if you select an auslese or higher grade from the best estates. > Thanks, > Max |
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![]() "MaxMustermann" > skrev i melding ups.com... Niersteiner Hipping Riesling Spätlese Niersteiner Patersberg Spätlese Mettenheimer Schloßberg (Fritz Kleinknecht, Faberrebe Spätlese, Bodenheim - Rheinhessen) Riesling (A.P.Nr 4382 238 476, Freiherr von Maltz`lche Weinkellerei Walsrode, Niederemmel-Piesport, Mosel) Weißwein Ruster Spätlese (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand Pieroth) Weißburgunder (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand Pieroth) Grüner Veltliner (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand Pieroth) Rauenthaler Baiken Kabinett (Staatsweingüter Eltville) You are stretching it a bit with these. The best bet should be the Niersteiner Hipping. The other Niersteiner doesn't mention the grape? Who made these wines? The Faber grape of the third one is not much seen, but makes quite ageworthy wine. 30 years old from a small producer should be over the hill anyway. The fourth is a mere quality wine(?) from a completely unknown producer - should be dead. The last one is a possibly good one, even when only a Kabinett. None of these Germans will poison you, buy and report to us! I've no idea about the Austrians. hth Anders |
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What about these wines?
Couvent des Jacobines Saint-Emilion Grand Cru Classé St. Johanner Abtey (Rheinhessen) Mönchhofer Kreuzjoch, Blaufränkisch (Weingut Niederthäler Hof, Schlossböckelheim) Mönchhofer Kreuzjoch, Zweigelt (Weingut Niederthäler Hof, Schlossböckelheim) Dhroner Hofberger Spätlese Riesling (Qualitätswein mit Prädikat, Weingut Joh. Stadtfeld) Ockfener Bockstein (Weinkellerei Pfarrkirche Bernkastel, Mosel-Saar-Ruwer) Ehringer Kapellenberg Boyd-Cantenac Grand Cru classé (Margaux) Leoville-Poyferré Grand Cru classé (St. Julien) Thanks, Max |
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Michael Pronay > wrote in
: > >>> Weißwein Ruster Spätlese (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand >>> Pieroth) >>> Weißburgunder (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand Pieroth) >>> Grüner Veltliner (Weinbaugebiet Burgenland, Ferdinand Pieroth) > > Hands off. All probably dead since at least two decades. It's bulk > wine bottled by Pieroth in Germany. Pieroth ten years later became > involved in the anti-freeze afair. Iirc they used low-end Austrian > bulk wines to doctor up German bottlings. > > M. Isn't Pieroth also that door-to-door company with the "aggressive" sales tactics? I thought I remembered hearing something like that... d. |
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