A QUESTION:

I, being a "True Neophyte" to wine, am current trying to write a story about
a bottle of Wine, Laid down in 1759 and rediscovered in 1970.

The details I can give you is that the Wine will be grown and produced in
LAMBESC, FRANCE

The bottle will be corked and sealed with sealing wax and be found latter
in a underground tomb in Holland, where the average temperature is as
perfect as it could get for wine, between 56 and 58 degrees constant, laid
upon it side.

My question is what wine should I make it (be it Red or White) that would
have been produced during the 18th century and might survive intact till
1970. and still be drinkable at the end of my story?????????

The story will surround the search for this bottle, as well as other items
stolen from the tomb, so I hope to pick your Collective Brains, as people
that may know Wines of France far better than I.

I need suggestions for the Wine itself, as the Label and the Vineyard will
be completely fictional, the type of grapes produced in this region, what
wines has been known to survive until this day and age.

With the best of writer's intentions ... in being historically accurate

I remain,

RASSILON

rassilon wrote:
> A QUESTION:
>
> I, being a "True Neophyte" to wine, am current trying to write a story about
> a bottle of Wine, Laid down in 1759 and rediscovered in 1970.
>
> The details I can give you is that the Wine will be grown and produced in
> LAMBESC, FRANCE
>
> The bottle will be corked and sealed with sealing wax and be found latter
> in a underground tomb in Holland, where the average temperature is as
> perfect as it could get for wine, between 56 and 58 degrees constant, laid
> upon it side.
>
> My question is what wine should I make it (be it Red or White) that would
> have been produced during the 18th century and might survive intact till
> 1970. and still be drinkable at the end of my story?????????
>
> The story will surround the search for this bottle, as well as other items
> stolen from the tomb, so I hope to pick your Collective Brains, as people
> that may know Wines of France far better than I.
>
> I need suggestions for the Wine itself, as the Label and the Vineyard will
> be completely fictional, the type of grapes produced in this region, what
> wines has been known to survive until this day and age.
>
> With the best of writer's intentions ... in being historically accurate
>
> I remain,
>
> RASSILON

Wines don't last 200 years, at least they don't retain the drinkability
of their youth. Most wines last no more than 10 years. It is a rare
wine that last longer. Now some liquors are a different story.

On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:52:49 -0400, "rassilon" >
wrote:

>A QUESTION:
>
>I, being a "True Neophyte" to wine, am current trying to write a story about
>a bottle of Wine, Laid down in 1759 and rediscovered in 1970.
>
>The details I can give you is that the Wine will be grown and produced in
>LAMBESC, FRANCE
>
>The bottle will be corked and sealed with sealing wax and be found latter
>in a underground tomb in Holland, where the average temperature is as
>perfect as it could get for wine, between 56 and 58 degrees constant, laid
>upon it side.
>
>My question is what wine should I make it (be it Red or White) that would
>have been produced during the 18th century and might survive intact till
>1970. and still be drinkable at the end of my story?????????
>
>The story will surround the search for this bottle, as well as other items
>stolen from the tomb, so I hope to pick your Collective Brains, as people
>that may know Wines of France far better than I.
>
>I need suggestions for the Wine itself, as the Label and the Vineyard will
>be completely fictional, the type of grapes produced in this region, what
>wines has been known to survive until this day and age.
>
>With the best of writer's intentions ... in being historically accurate

The years cause me to flashback on the very valuable, but probably
undrinkable, Thomas Jefferson clarets that you occasionally see
pictured in history books or magazine articles. Under perfect
conditions and barring cork deterioration, it might theoretically be
possible for the wine to remain drinkable, but it probably wouldn't
have much life.

You are dealing with an area much further south than Jefferson's
bordeaux bottles. Provence offers a lot of wines and fortunately for
your narrative, a wide number of varietals so you don't run much risk
of a reader challenging the possibility no matter what you call the
wine.

I'd say make it red--under almost any circumstances (although there
are always exceptions), reds will last longer than whites. Wines of
Rhone and Provence can be dark and heavy, so Mourvedre is a
possibility or Carignane. But, you can also get lighter reds like
Grenache (but probably not a candidate for the 200 year old hero of
the story.)

Consider making it a sweet wine--higher alcohol content and an ability
to hold interest longer. Muscat has been grown in the region and has
been dated back to the Greeks introducing it.

Glad the Reign of Terror didn't upset the storage.

Vive le Republique. Vive le Revolucion!



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

Several years ago at a function moderated by Michael Broadbent we were
served a 1795 Madeira. The tasting is referenced is his "the New Great
Vintage
Wine Book" Page 382. This might be the wine you want to talk about.





"UC" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> rassilon wrote:
>> A QUESTION:
>>
>> I, being a "True Neophyte" to wine, am current trying to write a story
>> about
>> a bottle of Wine, Laid down in 1759 and rediscovered in 1970.
>>
>> The details I can give you is that the Wine will be grown and produced in
>> LAMBESC, FRANCE
>>
>> The bottle will be corked and sealed with sealing wax and be found
>> latter
>> in a underground tomb in Holland, where the average temperature is as
>> perfect as it could get for wine, between 56 and 58 degrees constant,
>> laid
>> upon it side.
>>
>> My question is what wine should I make it (be it Red or White) that would
>> have been produced during the 18th century and might survive intact till
>> 1970. and still be drinkable at the end of my story?????????
>>
>> The story will surround the search for this bottle, as well as other
>> items
>> stolen from the tomb, so I hope to pick your Collective Brains, as people
>> that may know Wines of France far better than I.
>>
>> I need suggestions for the Wine itself, as the Label and the Vineyard
>> will
>> be completely fictional, the type of grapes produced in this region, what
>> wines has been known to survive until this day and age.
>>
>> With the best of writer's intentions ... in being historically accurate
>>
>> I remain,
>>
>> RASSILON
>
> Wines don't last 200 years, at least they don't retain the drinkability
> of their youth. Most wines last no more than 10 years. It is a rare
> wine that last longer. Now some liquors are a different story.
>

I want to modify the last sentence of my last post to read, This is the type
of wine you might reference."


"sibeer" > wrote in message
...
> Several years ago at a function moderated by Michael Broadbent we were
> served a 1795 Madeira. The tasting is referenced is his "the New Great
> Vintage
> Wine Book" Page 382. This might be the wine you want to talk about.
>
>
>
>
>
> "UC" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> rassilon wrote:
>>> A QUESTION:
>>>
>>> I, being a "True Neophyte" to wine, am current trying to write a story
>>> about
>>> a bottle of Wine, Laid down in 1759 and rediscovered in 1970.
>>>
>>> The details I can give you is that the Wine will be grown and produced
>>> in
>>> LAMBESC, FRANCE
>>>
>>> The bottle will be corked and sealed with sealing wax and be found
>>> latter
>>> in a underground tomb in Holland, where the average temperature is as
>>> perfect as it could get for wine, between 56 and 58 degrees constant,
>>> laid
>>> upon it side.
>>>
>>> My question is what wine should I make it (be it Red or White) that
>>> would
>>> have been produced during the 18th century and might survive intact till
>>> 1970. and still be drinkable at the end of my story?????????
>>>
>>> The story will surround the search for this bottle, as well as other
>>> items
>>> stolen from the tomb, so I hope to pick your Collective Brains, as
>>> people
>>> that may know Wines of France far better than I.
>>>
>>> I need suggestions for the Wine itself, as the Label and the Vineyard
>>> will
>>> be completely fictional, the type of grapes produced in this region,
>>> what
>>> wines has been known to survive until this day and age.
>>>
>>> With the best of writer's intentions ... in being historically accurate
>>>
>>> I remain,
>>>
>>> RASSILON
>>
>> Wines don't last 200 years, at least they don't retain the drinkability
>> of their youth. Most wines last no more than 10 years. It is a rare
>> wine that last longer. Now some liquors are a different story.
>>
>
>

So in French terms it would need to be a Vin Doux Naturel made in an
oxidative style. Not sure they made them in Lambesc but it is
probably your best shot.

18th century Tokaji can also be drinkable now
http://www.wine-pages.com/cgi-bin2/u...c;f=1;t=008125
But I'm almost certain they did not make that in Lambesc

On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 14:10:45 -0400, "sibeer" >
wrote:

>Several years ago at a function moderated by Michael Broadbent we were
>served a 1795 Madeira. The tasting is referenced is his "the New Great
>Vintage
>Wine Book" Page 382. This might be the wine you want to talk about.
>
>
>
>
>
>"UC" > wrote in message
roups.com...
>>
>> rassilon wrote:
>>> A QUESTION:
>>>
>>> I, being a "True Neophyte" to wine, am current trying to write a story
>>> about
>>> a bottle of Wine, Laid down in 1759 and rediscovered in 1970.
>>>
>>> The details I can give you is that the Wine will be grown and produced in
>>> LAMBESC, FRANCE
>>>
>>> The bottle will be corked and sealed with sealing wax and be found
>>> latter
>>> in a underground tomb in Holland, where the average temperature is as
>>> perfect as it could get for wine, between 56 and 58 degrees constant,
>>> laid
>>> upon it side.
>>>
>>> My question is what wine should I make it (be it Red or White) that would
>>> have been produced during the 18th century and might survive intact till
>>> 1970. and still be drinkable at the end of my story?????????
>>>
>>> The story will surround the search for this bottle, as well as other
>>> items
>>> stolen from the tomb, so I hope to pick your Collective Brains, as people
>>> that may know Wines of France far better than I.
>>>
>>> I need suggestions for the Wine itself, as the Label and the Vineyard
>>> will
>>> be completely fictional, the type of grapes produced in this region, what
>>> wines has been known to survive until this day and age.
>>>
>>> With the best of writer's intentions ... in being historically accurate
>>>
>>> I remain,
>>>
>>> RASSILON
>>
>> Wines don't last 200 years, at least they don't retain the drinkability
>> of their youth. Most wines last no more than 10 years. It is a rare
>> wine that last longer. Now some liquors are a different story.
>>
>

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

rassilon wrote:
> A QUESTION:
>
> I, being a "True Neophyte" to wine, am current trying to write a story about
> a bottle of Wine, Laid down in 1759 and rediscovered in 1970.
>
> The details I can give you is that the Wine will be grown and produced in
> LAMBESC, FRANCE
>
> The bottle will be corked and sealed with sealing wax and be found latter
> in a underground tomb in Holland, where the average temperature is as
> perfect as it could get for wine, between 56 and 58 degrees constant, laid
> upon it side.
>
> My question is what wine should I make it (be it Red or White) that would
> have been produced during the 18th century and might survive intact till
> 1970. and still be drinkable at the end of my story?????????
>
> The story will surround the search for this bottle, as well as other items
> stolen from the tomb, so I hope to pick your Collective Brains, as people
> that may know Wines of France far better than I.
>
> I need suggestions for the Wine itself, as the Label and the Vineyard will
> be completely fictional, the type of grapes produced in this region, what
> wines has been known to survive until this day and age.
>
> With the best of writer's intentions ... in being historically accurate

I very much doubt if any wine produced in Lambesc France would last
nearly this long. However, at least the rich, often had wines from all
over the world in their cellars. For example Louis IV was very fond of
Tokaji Essencia and called it the king of wine and the wine for kings.
Until WW II, Fukier cellars in Warsaw had Tokaji going back to the
outstanding 1606 vintage. The very old wines were taken by the Germans
during the invasion. Some of the wine fell into the hands of Soviet
Marshal Zhukov, who gave an American general some of the 1668 in 1958.
Apparently that is the last that has been heard about these wines. In a
recent article in Decanter, Hugh Johnson describes a tasting of many
rare Tokajis including some from the 18th and 19th centuries. Some were
from the cellars of the King of Saxony. These wines were, for the most
part, holding very well. In addition, Michael Broadbent rates the 1811
Essence from the Bretzenheim cellar as 6 stars out of 5 stars - off the
top of his rating scale based on 5 stars.

Constantia from South Africa was one of the most highly rated wines in
the world in the 1700s and was in the cellars of many of the kings in
Europe. This is an exceedingly rich sweet wine. What few bottles still
remain from this era still often are quite good. I have a single bottle
of it that is either from 1791 or 1809 (there was some uncertainty
about which of two bins the wine was stored in), and it likely is still
holding well.

As mentioned by others, it is not uncommon for some top Madeira from
even the late 1700s to still be quite good.

cwdjrxyz wrote:
> For example Louis IV was very fond of
> Tokaji Essencia and called it the king of wine and the wine for kings.

That should be Louis 14 and not Louis 4!

rassilon wrote:
> A QUESTION:
>
> I, being a "True Neophyte" to wine, am current trying to write a story about
> a bottle of Wine, Laid down in 1759 and rediscovered in 1970.
>
> The details I can give you is that the Wine will be grown and produced in
> LAMBESC, FRANCE

In present-day Lambesc, they make wine labeled Coteax d'Aix-en-Provence,
which is mostly rosé with the remainder white. None of these wines are
intended for 10 years of aging, let alone centuries. It is of course
conceivable that in the past they produced other wines, but I find it
highly unlikely, even laughably so, that they'd make a wine that could
survive for two centuries. Must the wine in your story be grown and
produced there? If not, there are several good candidates for wines
that could last that long, most of which have already been named:
Tokaji, Madeira, Sauternes, Trockenbeerenauslese Rieslings (all of which
are white). There might be some Ports that could also last that long,
but I honestly don't know.

On other fronts, some of our European correspondents would take issue
with 56-58° being considered optimal. In many European cellars the
temperature is closer to 10°C (50°F).

Mark Lipton

Mark Lipton wrote:
> Tokaji, Madeira, Sauternes, Trockenbeerenauslese Rieslings (all of which
> are white). There might be some Ports that could also last that long,
> but I honestly don't know.

Is it only TBA Rieslings that can last that long? I'd read that
'regular' (non botrytised) Rieslings could be cellared for
exceptionally long periods as well - remember hearing that the Schloss
Johannisberg estate in the Rheingau has some incredibly old wines
(maybe not quite 200 yrs - but I did hear about the 1862 vintage there
being extremely impressive, and still remaining in the cellars).

Salil

"Mark Lipton" wrote .......
>>
>> The details I can give you is that the Wine will be grown and produced in
>> LAMBESC, FRANCE
>
> In present-day Lambesc, they make wine labeled Coteax d'Aix-en-Provence,
> which is mostly rosé with the remainder white. None of these wines are
> intended for 10 years of aging, let alone centuries. It is of course
> conceivable that in the past they produced other wines, but I find it
> highly unlikely, even laughably so, that they'd make a wine that could
> survive for two centuries.


As others have explained, it is highly improbable that any wine, ever, which
was produced in Lambesc could have aged for two centuries.

However, as chance would have it, I actually drove through Lambesc last
October (actually we stumbled across it while driving through to the
Luberon.)

Pretty, small town, not a tourist trap - but interestingly enough, in the
17th century, it was to be the Versailles of the well-off merchants etc from
Aix-en-Provence who built some grand houses in the township.

So, it would not be beyond the realms of possibility that one of the worlds
great ageworthy wines (as mentioned by other contributors) could not have
been "forgotten" in a cellar in Lambesc.

Why not a Chateau d'Yquem? - This chateau dates back over 400 years - it
is more than possible that a wealthy merchant from Aix-en-Provence could
have had this most prestigious of French wines 200 years ago in Lambesc.

--

st.helier

"rassilon" > wrote:

> I, being a "True Neophyte" to wine, am current trying to write a
> story about a bottle of Wine, Laid down in 1759 and
> rediscovered in 1970.

99.9% of all wine produced around the world at that time was never
bottled, but served from cask in pitchers. The only wines bottled
at that time were a) rare Bordeaux (first growths: Lafite has an
1799 in its cellars, Margaux an 1811); b) Tokaj; c) possibly
Madeira (but I'm not sure about that). There is 1795 Madeira still
around today (I've tasted once), but this wine would have gone
from cask into demijohns in the second half of the 18th century
and bottled subsequently.

> The details I can give you is that the Wine will be grown and
> produced in LAMBESC, FRANCE

Totally implausible.

> The bottle will be corked and sealed with sealing wax and be
> found latter in a underground tomb in Holland, where the average
> temperature is as perfect as it could get for wine, between 56
> and 58 degrees constant, laid upon it side.

That's far less than "perfect". 10°C = 50°F is considered perfect
for very long-term ageing. Anyhow, a true underground cellar in
the Netherlands (15 to 18 feet below ground) would be closer to
10°C than to 14°C.

> My question is what wine should I make it (be it Red or White)
> that would have been produced during the 18th century and might
> survive intact till 1970. and still be drinkable at the end of
> my story?????????

See above.

> The story will surround the search for this bottle, as well as
> other items stolen from the tomb, so I hope to pick your
> Collective Brains, as people that may know Wines of France far
> better than I.
>
> I need suggestions for the Wine itself, as the Label

There were no paper labels at that time.

> and the Vineyard will be completely fictional, the type of
> grapes produced in this region, what wines has been known to
> survive until this day and age.
>
> With the best of writer's intentions ... in being historically
> accurate

Litte chance of historical accurary with your assumptions.

M.

In article >,
Ed Rasimus > wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:52:49 -0400, "rassilon" >
> wrote:
>
> >A QUESTION:
> >
> >I, being a "True Neophyte" to wine, am current trying to write a story about
> >a bottle of Wine, Laid down in 1759 and rediscovered in 1970.
> >
> >The details I can give you is that the Wine will be grown and produced in
> >LAMBESC, FRANCE
> >
> >The bottle will be corked and sealed with sealing wax and be found latter
> >in a underground tomb in Holland, where the average temperature is as
> >perfect as it could get for wine, between 56 and 58 degrees constant, laid
> >upon it side.
> >
> >My question is what wine should I make it (be it Red or White) that would
> >have been produced during the 18th century and might survive intact till
> >1970. and still be drinkable at the end of my story?????????
> >
> >The story will surround the search for this bottle, as well as other items
> >stolen from the tomb, so I hope to pick your Collective Brains, as people
> >that may know Wines of France far better than I.
> >
> >I need suggestions for the Wine itself, as the Label and the Vineyard will
> >be completely fictional, the type of grapes produced in this region, what
> >wines has been known to survive until this day and age.
> >
> >With the best of writer's intentions ... in being historically accurate
>
> The years cause me to flashback on the very valuable, but probably
> undrinkable, Thomas Jefferson clarets that you occasionally see
> pictured in history books or magazine articles. Under perfect
> conditions and barring cork deterioration, it might theoretically be
> possible for the wine to remain drinkable, but it probably wouldn't
> have much life.
>
> You are dealing with an area much further south than Jefferson's
> bordeaux bottles. Provence offers a lot of wines and fortunately for
> your narrative, a wide number of varietals so you don't run much risk
> of a reader challenging the possibility no matter what you call the
> wine.
>
> I'd say make it red--under almost any circumstances (although there
> are always exceptions), reds will last longer than whites. Wines of
> Rhone and Provence can be dark and heavy, so Mourvedre is a
> possibility or Carignane. But, you can also get lighter reds like
> Grenache (but probably not a candidate for the 200 year old hero of
> the story.)
>
> Consider making it a sweet wine--higher alcohol content and an ability
> to hold interest longer. Muscat has been grown in the region and has
> been dated back to the Greeks introducing it.
>
> Glad the Reign of Terror didn't upset the storage.
>
> Vive le Republique. Vive le Revolucion!
>
>
>
> Ed Rasimus
> Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
> "When Thunder Rolled"
> www.thunderchief.org
> www.thundertales.blogspot.com

How about a really great port?

"rassilon" > wrote in
:

> A QUESTION:
>
> I, being a "True Neophyte" to wine, am current trying to write a story
> about a bottle of Wine, Laid down in 1759 and rediscovered in 1970.
>

a side question is what kind of closure was used in the mid 1700's? were
corks generally in use then? I have read that many wines were not cork
closed at that time.

also tomb conditions in Holland, I know that caves are nice but Holland
is not great cave country being largely below sea level etc. (Eastern
Netherlands are hilly yes, but not technically Holland)


--
Joseph Coulter
Cruises and Vacations
http://www.josephcoulter.com/

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:39:20 -0400, Lawrence Leichtman
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Ed Rasimus > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:52:49 -0400, "rassilon" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >A QUESTION:

>> >The details I can give you is that the Wine will be grown and produced in
>> >LAMBESC, FRANCE

>> You are dealing with an area much further south than Jefferson's
>> bordeaux bottles. Provence offers a lot of wines and fortunately for
>> your narrative, a wide number of varietals so you don't run much risk
>> of a reader challenging the possibility no matter what you call the
>> wine.
>>
>> I'd say make it red--under almost any circumstances (although there
>> are always exceptions), reds will last longer than whites. Wines of
>> Rhone and Provence can be dark and heavy, so Mourvedre is a
>> possibility or Carignane. But, you can also get lighter reds like
>> Grenache (but probably not a candidate for the 200 year old hero of
>> the story.)
>>
>> Consider making it a sweet wine--higher alcohol content and an ability
>> to hold interest longer. Muscat has been grown in the region and has
>> been dated back to the Greeks introducing it.

>
>How about a really great port?

I guess because the premise of the question was that the wine was
produced and bottled in Lambesc.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

In article >,
says...
>
>A QUESTION:
>
>I, being a "True Neophyte" to wine, am current trying to write a story about
>a bottle of Wine, Laid down in 1759 and rediscovered in 1970.
>
>The details I can give you is that the Wine will be grown and produced in
>LAMBESC, FRANCE
>
>The bottle will be corked and sealed with sealing wax and be found latter
>in a underground tomb in Holland, where the average temperature is as
>perfect as it could get for wine, between 56 and 58 degrees constant, laid
>upon it side.
>
>My question is what wine should I make it (be it Red or White) that would
>have been produced during the 18th century and might survive intact till
>1970. and still be drinkable at the end of my story?????????
>
>The story will surround the search for this bottle, as well as other items
>stolen from the tomb, so I hope to pick your Collective Brains, as people
>that may know Wines of France far better than I.
>
>I need suggestions for the Wine itself, as the Label and the Vineyard will
>be completely fictional, the type of grapes produced in this region, what
>wines has been known to survive until this day and age.
>
>With the best of writer's intentions ... in being historically accurate
>
>I remain,
>
>RASSILON

Ah, Rassilon, you have gotten some interesting observations, and speculations,
regarding your work. I do not know if they were what you expected, or
anticipated, but you did get some good ones.

Now, you realize that you are under an obligation to tell us, a few things:

1.) Title of your work, and release date
2.) What you finally decided to go with, regarding the wine
3.) Tell us that you will do better than the screenplay for "The Year of The
Comet," which may have been derived from a literary work, though I seriously
dobut it.

When you have made your selection(s), please post a followup to the NG.
Besides drinking and pontificating about the stuff, some of us like to read
about it.

Hunt

Joseph Coulter > wrote:

> also tomb conditions in Holland, I know that caves are nice but
> Holland is not great cave country being largely below sea level
> etc. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In the mid-1700s?!

M.

Mike Tommasi > wrote:

>>> also tomb conditions in Holland, I know that caves are nice
>>> but Holland is not great cave country being largely below sea
>>> level etc. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> ^^^^^

>> In the mid-1700s?!

> http://www.deltawerken.com/Before-th...f-1953/90.html

What have the dikes from pre-1953 to do with what happened in the
18th century? Did I miss something?

M.

A good Question, Mr. Hunt....

MY Work... is a work in progress in that I am a first time Novelist. ---
Even Worst the Wine story line is intended for the Third and Fourth Book in
the series of these book, which I tend to refer to as the "Van Meir
Chronicles"

The story line will involve a hunt for missing letters belonging to a woman
name Charlotte, who makes her first appearance in book Three about 1763.

At the end of the book, when she leaves Lambesc and returns to Holland, she
is gives a sealed bottle of wine (the first produced at this vineyard) and
given the instructions not to open it, until our heroes of the story meet
again and can drink it as one heart. --- That meeting would never take place
as Charlotte dies with in the year.

In book Four, 200 hundred years have past. It is 1970 and the descendants of
the original characters of Books One, Two and Three, are brought back
together

Some one has broken into Charlotte's underground tomb in Holland and stolen
Love letters that were buried with her. The legend of these particular love
letters has now become famous, due to interviews about the families history
in the Wine Business and their adventure in history being widely published
by one of the dependences

(A side note: Having in my youth, sold cemetery property I use to notice
that underground tombs use to maintain a average year round temperature
about 50 to 58 Degrees, so I chose as part of the surprise that in
Charlotte's tomb, laying by her side would be found the "first un-open"
bottle over looked by the robbers)

In the story, Charlotte died before they could meet again and the bottle
remained unopened and entombed with her. It would be her dependences that
would, in the end of the story, sample the wine, when the letters were
recovered and the wine is produced.

The story will be "Romance / Adventure" intended more for the Female
audience, so I apologize if I have given you false hopes of seeing it appear
on any shelf soon, or if you shall even take note of it when it does appear.

But I thank you One and All for your kind attentions and your suggestions, I
did not wish to offend anyone, who appreciates wine, by choosing one that
would have turn to vinegar in under 10 years.

Two Final notes, I did have to laugh with one person's comments about the
invading Germans of WWII.

Since in Book Four, I have already set down in the pages of my story that
the Germans had invaded this vineyard in 1942 and stole all the wine,
becoming the first World Wide distributors of the Vineyard.

It will be mentioned that after WWI requests world wide for the wine would
sky rocket and make the family and their Vineyard a modern success. (good
call, who ever mentioned it...perhaps there is a writer in you as well)

Lastly again I had also to laugh at someone mention of the film. "The Year
of the Comet" with Penelope Ann Miller....

This film continues to be one of my "Guilty Pleasures" for the last few
years, and was playing in the background when I typed my original Post. It
was the film that caused me to question "What Wine could survive 200 years
intact even in the best conditions..... ( What can I say... but great minds
do think alike)

Again ...Thank you, one and all, for your "Very" helpful suggestions.... I
now have new directions in which to look.

Best and kind Regards,
Rassilon


"Hunt" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> >A QUESTION:
> >
> >I, being a "True Neophyte" to wine, am current trying to write a story
about
> >a bottle of Wine, Laid down in 1759 and rediscovered in 1970.
> >
> >The details I can give you is that the Wine will be grown and produced in
> >LAMBESC, FRANCE
> >
> >The bottle will be corked and sealed with sealing wax and be found
latter
> >in a underground tomb in Holland, where the average temperature is as
> >perfect as it could get for wine, between 56 and 58 degrees constant,
laid
> >upon it side.
> >
> >My question is what wine should I make it (be it Red or White) that would
> >have been produced during the 18th century and might survive intact till
> >1970. and still be drinkable at the end of my story?????????
> >
> >The story will surround the search for this bottle, as well as other
items
> >stolen from the tomb, so I hope to pick your Collective Brains, as people
> >that may know Wines of France far better than I.
> >
> >I need suggestions for the Wine itself, as the Label and the Vineyard
will
> >be completely fictional, the type of grapes produced in this region, what
> >wines has been known to survive until this day and age.
> >
> >With the best of writer's intentions ... in being historically accurate
> >
> >I remain,
> >
> >RASSILON
>
> Ah, Rassilon, you have gotten some interesting observations, and
speculations,
> regarding your work. I do not know if they were what you expected, or
> anticipated, but you did get some good ones.
>
> Now, you realize that you are under an obligation to tell us, a few
things:
>
> 1.) Title of your work, and release date
> 2.) What you finally decided to go with, regarding the wine
> 3.) Tell us that you will do better than the screenplay for "The Year of
The
> Comet," which may have been derived from a literary work, though I
seriously
> dobut it.
>
> When you have made your selection(s), please post a followup to the NG.
> Besides drinking and pontificating about the stuff, some of us like to
read
> about it.
>
> Hunt
>

Mike Tommasi > wrote in
:

> Michael Pronay wrote:
>> Mike Tommasi > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>also tomb conditions in Holland, I know that caves are nice
>>>>>but Holland is not great cave country being largely below sea
>>>>>level etc. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>> ^^^^^
>>
>>
>>>>In the mid-1700s?!
>>
>>
>>>http://www.deltawerken.com/Before-th...f-1953/90.html
>>
>>
>> What have the dikes from pre-1953 to do with what happened in the
>> 18th century? Did I miss something?
>
> LOL, I am not sure what the question is any more, but if "Holland is
> ... largely below sea level" today, it was also so in the XVIII
> century...
>
> Anyhow, I think JC meant that one does not expect to find "caves" in
> Holland.
>

Precisely Holland is largely sandy and even in the 1700's starting to be
more and more reclaimed land thanks to the famous dikes. I do note that
E. Netherlands is hilly and rockier but that is not "Holland." this
leads me to question the abundance of underground tombs as opposed to
mausoleums in the netherlands, any Dutch in this crowd?


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