Sorry, I can't respond to my original post, my newsreader can't seem
to find the handle.

Anyway, I've fined my SB with agglomerated bentonite (1 gram per
litre) and Kielsohl ((sp) 10 ml/L) and it is still cloudy. Should I
follow this with sparkalloid or isinglass, or what?

Dan

"Dan Emerson" > wrote in message
om...
> Sorry, I can't respond to my original post, my newsreader can't seem
> to find the handle.
>
> Anyway, I've fined my SB with agglomerated bentonite (1 gram per
> litre) and Kielsohl ((sp) 10 ml/L) and it is still cloudy.

Holy smoke! That's over 8 lb./1000 gal. bentonite (a rather hefty shot),
and a _huge_ dose of kieselsohl. I usually use ~70ml in a 60 gallon barrel,
which is ~1 lb./1000 gal. You added more than 30 times that much!

Should I
> follow this with sparkalloid or isinglass, or what?

Who knows? I'd try 1 lb./1000 gal. gelatin and see what happens. Bear in
mind that this may be an irrecoverable error. :^(

Tom S

I would think that fining with gelatin followed by .5micron filtration would
be just fine.

Tom - correct me if I am wrong here... Will 0.5 um filtration remove excess
bentonite??

"Tom S" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dan Emerson" > wrote in message
> om...
>> Sorry, I can't respond to my original post, my newsreader can't seem
>> to find the handle.
>>
>> Anyway, I've fined my SB with agglomerated bentonite (1 gram per
>> litre) and Kielsohl ((sp) 10 ml/L) and it is still cloudy.
>
> Holy smoke! That's over 8 lb./1000 gal. bentonite (a rather hefty shot),
> and a _huge_ dose of kieselsohl. I usually use ~70ml in a 60 gallon
> barrel, which is ~1 lb./1000 gal. You added more than 30 times that much!
>
> Should I
>> follow this with sparkalloid or isinglass, or what?
>
> Who knows? I'd try 1 lb./1000 gal. gelatin and see what happens. Bear in
> mind that this may be an irrecoverable error. :^(
>
> Tom S
>

"Aaron Puhala" > wrote in message
...
>I would think that fining with gelatin followed by .5micron filtration
>would be just fine.
>
> Tom - correct me if I am wrong here... Will 0.5 um filtration remove
> excess bentonite??

Bentonite is very prone to blinding filter media, so the wine needs to be
pretty clear before you atempt to filter it or it will become an exercise in
frustration. A dose of gelatin beforehand (¼ - 1 lb./1000 gal.) should help
with that. Do a trial first.

Tom S

I'm sorry, I got my numbers wrong. I used 1/2 gram per liter
bentonite and 1.5 ml/L kieselsohl. Still give it some gelatin?

Dan

"Tom S" > wrote in message >. ..
> "Dan Emerson" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Sorry, I can't respond to my original post, my newsreader can't seem
> > to find the handle.
> >
> > Anyway, I've fined my SB with agglomerated bentonite (1 gram per
> > litre) and Kielsohl ((sp) 10 ml/L) and it is still cloudy.
>
> Holy smoke! That's over 8 lb./1000 gal. bentonite (a rather hefty shot),
> and a _huge_ dose of kieselsohl. I usually use ~70ml in a 60 gallon barrel,
> which is ~1 lb./1000 gal. You added more than 30 times that much!
>
> Should I
> > follow this with sparkalloid or isinglass, or what?
>
> Who knows? I'd try 1 lb./1000 gal. gelatin and see what happens. Bear in
> mind that this may be an irrecoverable error. :^(
>
> Tom S

"Dan Emerson" > wrote in message
om...
> I'm sorry, I got my numbers wrong. I used 1/2 gram per liter
> bentonite and 1.5 ml/L kieselsohl. Still give it some gelatin?

OK, that's just over 4 lb./1000 gal. bentonite (not a problem) and almost 4
lb./1000 gal. kieselsohl. You're safe on the bentonite, but I've never used
(or heard recommended) higher than 1 lb./1000 gal. kieselsohl. You're in
uncharted waters there.

Why don't you just let it settle and taste it to see if it needs tweaking?
If it settles clear and tastes good you're done!

Tom S

The kieselsohl I'm using is from Spagnols. It is a solution that they
say to yse after some other thing they sell. I'm using it at a rate
they state on their product. Sometimes I wonder about some of their
products. They are the ones that sold me Bocksin.

My wine is settling out ok, not as clear as I think it should be, but
probably sufficient. My other carboys I treated with lysozyme to
terminate any potential MLF and will fine with bentonite, gelatin, and
kieselsohl, unless you have any recommendations. You questioned
geletin initially but recommended it later. Most white kits I have
done use bentonite, gelatin and either kieselsohl or isinglass.

You are always so helpful Tom, I appreciate your input.

Dan

Tom S wrote:
> "Dan Emerson" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I'm sorry, I got my numbers wrong. I used 1/2 gram per liter
> > bentonite and 1.5 ml/L kieselsohl. Still give it some gelatin?
>
> OK, that's just over 4 lb./1000 gal. bentonite (not a problem) and
almost 4
> lb./1000 gal. kieselsohl. You're safe on the bentonite, but I've
never used
> (or heard recommended) higher than 1 lb./1000 gal. kieselsohl.
You're in
> uncharted waters there.
>
> Why don't you just let it settle and taste it to see if it needs
tweaking?
> If it settles clear and tastes good you're done!
>
> Tom S